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“I Think God’s like….”: When are we to draw the Line regarding the representations of God/analogies to Show Him? (PART 1)/”Smokin’n The Ghost….”—-

Posted by Gabriel (G²) on June 23, 2008

To be clear, I do not advocate Charisma Magazine 100% as it promotes many false teachers and teachings that are dangerous and in need of being avoided…..but, TRUTH is TRUTH….. every now and then J.Lee Grady reports something to take note of:

“In some charismatic churches today, leaders have introduced a trendy new teaching that compares God to drugs. They proclaim that “Jesus is my D.O.C.”—my “Drug of Choice.” In a bizarre attempt to be relevant with our culture, they compare a spiritual encounter with God to a heroin overdose. In one instance, a group of people pretended to shoot invisible needles into their arms as they prayed for one another and asked God for His anointing. And this was in a so-called “revival service”!

One minister in Oregon refers to God as “Jehovahjuana”—implying that the Lord can give you a marijuana high. Another conference speaker in California put a plastic Jesus from a nativity scene into his mouth and encouraged a group of teens to “smoke baby Jesus.” The kids all laughed and everyone thought this was a hoot.

Actually, mishandling the name of the Lord in such a flippant manner, and comparing God to an illegal drug, is what the Bible calls blasphemy. We do not have permission to dishonor His character by changing His name to something sinful and degrading.

How desperately we need the dreadful fire of His holy presence! I hope we will all cry out together the prayer of David in Psalm 86:11: “Teach me Your way, O Lord; I will walk in Your truth; unite my heart to fear Your name.””

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J.Lee Grady, Charisma mag. editor.

 

 

To be clear, I do not write this without any experience. And when I heard of it, I almost tripped. as I had an experience with this a good while back with some friends of mine at a prayer meeting…..though many of them were delivered from intense substance abuse, they were praying and everything seemed cool until they started the entire “just drink of the HOLY SPIRIT”—and then from there it got wild. To the point, actually, where they HOLY SPIRIT was referred to as a DRUG one could get high on====one person gave another a bible and said “Have a wiff of Romans 12” and the person started acting crazy. And to the point where people were “sniffing the Bible.” When that happened, one of the guys was acting as if he was cutting up cocaine on the Bible and they were all enjoying it. By no means am I innocent, as it was very intriguing as they were saying to come and basically get some and seeing how they live for the Lord daily makes one easily wonder “Well, they do everything else right…….is this really something to trip over?”….., but the moment I did—my senses went up and was in the car repenting like crazy. It just didn’t feel right, especially seeing that I’ve seen similar circumstances like “Holy Ghost Snowball” fights and phrases like “Stoggn’n the Holy Ghost” that I’ve personally spoken out against more than once. The same thoughts of blamsphemy came to my mind….& When I went home to research the issue and see what was up, I was highly bothered in my spirit—seeing that the H.S. is a person and not an impersonal force one can treat like a substance. His effects when one feels his presence is one thing—-but in misrepresenting him, I’m not down.

Moreover, the fact that people weren’t faking anything was more bothersome—-as the reality is that many will say “Well, it had to come from God…why would the devil make me act this way?” but now I wonder about it. Decieving Spirits is what immediately comes to mind……that, or unchecked emotionalism. I’ve tried to distance myself from them whenever they seek to do that, and on more than one occasion have wanted/meant to speak out against it. But honestly, the courage to do so’s lacking. Part of me simply walks away and pray God’ll convict them….because I guarantee ya, the phrases that will (And have already come up) are “God wants us to be FREE IN HIM!!!! HE’S REAL!!!” and other things of that nature that it’s hard to say “Ok, we’ll let us reason together from the Word of God since that’s what we’ll be held to account for.!!!”

For more info,  ). One of the guys who’s connected with one of the Kats that my friends dig—BENJAMIN DUNN—is of the same “smoking” stance and he has a friend that seems to illustrate well what many have been fearful of. Friend sent me some of his audio gigs here: For their main website, http://www.joyrevolution.com/index.html & SPECIFICALLY, http://joyrevolution.com/mp3/wimpy.php —specifically, the audio ones entitled “Perpetual Plumptiousness” and “The Cross is the CRACK of Heaven” )(Though I think the man had many solid points, there was something about it that at times bothered me and I just couldn’t dig)

Regarding another who’s an associate of Dunn (John Crowder), As another said wisely: (High on Jesus, or Just High? | Wittenburg Door )

“High on Jesus,” the evangelical cliche that originally meant “I don’t do drugs,” now means the opposite when expressed through the ministry of Emergent Churcher John Crowder , based in Griffin, Georgia, who’s been stirring up the neo-hippies with tales of miracles, healings, signs, wonders, “bi-locating” (that’s when John appears in two places at the same time, compliments of the Holy Spirit), but mostly marijuana-induced raving. I first saw the guy in a YouTube video called Tokin the Ghost” (puffing on a joint of “Jehovahuana” as a way of accessing the Spirit) and assumed he was an atheist busting on Christians.
It turns out, though, that he’s got an active ministry that claims to be building an orphanage in India, and he has a whole raft of speaking engagements at storefront-style pentecostal churches where he thunders about being “wasted on Jesus” and talks about “the heavy drunken glory.” Since a lot of pentecostal preaching uses metaphors about being “drunk in the spirit,” you don’t really know whether he’s talking about drugs, alcohol or God when he says things like “Get whacked, stay whacked, never go back!” “We’re huffin’ olive wood from the garden of Gethsemane,” he tells and interviewer in Israel, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeQEH_jHYig “And we been snortin’ some dust from the tomb of our Lord and Savior. We been smokin’ Baby Jesus.”
But apparently “Tokin’ the Ghost” is not even his most famous YouTube moment. That would be the time he entered the pulpit totally wasted on something (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec91wvUY7Yo) and started talking about his own inability to speak, followed by a series of “oing oing oing” noises that presumably indicate speaking in tongues, followed by listing a bunch of miracles that can’t be verified. When Crowder first started getting popular with his “New Mystics” ministry, he stirred up a hornet’s nest of criticism, mostly from his fellow Emergent Churchers who wanted people to know that, although he wears the uniform (including the goatee), he is not on the team.
Of course, by no means is this representive of all that takes place in their ministries or the whole of their character (as they do much missions work/benevolence and have been on point in many things).
That said, others had some interesting thoughts on the issue (from WITTHENOWER WEBSITE):
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I think you might be firing without aiming on this one. I read your article and thought, “wow more wacky stuff, only this time it is Georgia instead of the great white north.” Then I did some more digging on Mr. Crowder. Sure there was some silly schtick to be found captured on internet video, but I also ran across a few videos that showed John Crowder being a red-letter kind of guy. I saw him doing kindness and loving people and pretty much following the model of Jesus on the streets of Georgia. I saw him making Jesus relevant to young people. I saw him leading people in the salvation prayer (not recruiting them for his church or movement) after spending some time handing out the mercy and grace of God in small ways with great love. I saw the presence of God in these simple street encounters that he did with a few folks visiting from Wales. He seemed pretty stable to me in that footage. I think I am going to hold off and see what type of fruit this guy produces with this approach before joining your rock throwing party. Heck, Jesus seemed odd to many people. . .let’s wait and see what happens lest we end up missing something like the Nicodemus and his pals did just because the delivery seemed strange.
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“These new guys went in the reverse direction, and some of them seem to be actively leading people to drug usage.”Regardless of the authenticity of their experiences and obvious paraphernaliac (is that a word?) references to being wasted on Jesus they do not take actual drug use lightly or find it in any way acceptable. In college I had a couple of acquaintances that were all about stuff like this. Toronto blessing this, drunk in the Spirit that. They would run to conferences where there would be sessions where everyone would do stuff just like this (speakers at the podium not being able to speak and such). From an outside perspective one might conclude that most of these “happenings” have to do with egging each other on, losing of inhibitions due to group hysteria, and minor hyperventilation. But if you were to go to one of these meetings and start telling people and pastors around the room that you currently drop acid, smoke pot, or munch on shrooms to reveal more of God and get closer to Jesus you would be confronted right away. For however out there they are with their Pneumatology they are pretty conservative when it comes to stuff like sexual sins and a lifestyle of drug use. This is ironic when you consider that they use so many drug references in their speech.I’m just speaking from what Ive seen. I think that 98% of them would shoot clean piss on a drug test.
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I don’t know man, while I am with you on the Toronto/Brownsville etc “happenings” being anti-drug, but this Crowder guy is way, way, beyond that. Check out the link and then some more of the you tube vids with him and his buddies. There is absolutely no spiritual connection on some of them. “Bliss Bomb” and “John Crowder and Ben Dunn Get Arrested”/John Crowder & Ben Dunn Get Arrested ,
Not that there has to be any spiritual connection but it might help if the vid is all about getting high with Captain America and turning the arresting officer on to your Baby Jesus Pipe. (seriously, he has a Baby Jesus one hitter) I can’t figure out where I am at on the whole thing. Some of the vids are well done, in a Cheech and Chong sort of way. The wacky Pentecostalism throws me though.The Holy Ghost house party is interesting. The abundance of hot chicks suggests that there may be more than love in the brownies in the foyer. But then maybe I just go to the wrong church.
Sheesh, A Baby Jesus one hitter.
If one wants more info, all one needs to do is go here:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?…=en&sitesearch=

     Some, in discussing the issue elsewhere w, have had some very intriguing views. One person said this:

I think this attitude applies to a lot of misguided preaching. Where the church have asked people what they need, and then proposed Jesus, or Christianity as the answer.

“Is your marriage unhappy?” Jesus is the answer.
“Are you doing badly at school/in your business?” Jesus is the answer.
“Are you depressed, because bad things have happened in your life?” Jesus is the answer.
“Do you need something to replace that drug induced high?” Jesus is the answer.

The problem with any of these kinds of statements, is that whilst it may well be true that being a Christian will cure you of addictions, help you to become more diligent, make you more attentive to your spouse, etc, we are seeking God for what He can give us, not for Himself. How will we cope with persecution, from within our homes, if we believe that God guarantees a peaceful and happy family? How will we cope with failure in life, if we believe that God promised success? How will we overcome temptation, if we are only able to do so, when God replaces one “high” another?

 

That I thought was more than on point. Another said this on the issue:

Do we ever tell people about when you come down from the high? See the problem with this message is that it makes people think that salvation is a continuous high like the drugs they currently use. But the truth of the matter is this salvation experience has nothing to do with our feelings. We shouldn’t step down to the level of our culture to reach souls thats not what Jesus did. He loved sinners and did not avoid them but he spoke with authority a very cut and dry message.
It wasn’t, “hey come do this it is the coolest thing happening yo” it was “Repent, take the narrow road, go and sin no more, unless you take up your cross daily, etc.

We can not draw this world with a feel good gospel or the second they realize that the Christian walk is very difficult at times they will go back to the drugs that made them feel good in the first place.

We do not have to mirror the world to reach souls, we need to mirror Christ and preach the full Gospel (even if it includes “hell fire” and our seats are empty)

 

Another, on the other hand, had this to say:

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I work with troubled-teen boys is a Christian residential home and school. I was a former drug and alcohol user that was saved by Jesus Christ. When He touched me and changed me it was an experience that was beyond words to properly describe.

Very often I will say that the Holy Spirit, is a much better drug than what I have taken…”There is no drug that compares.” They ask “So you are high on Jesus,” and in order to relate to them one on one I will say yes with conditions…

It seems to work with them…many have come to the Lord or at least stopped using drugs for a period of time.

This may not be exactly like the claims the others are making…but similar.

Please do not regard my light-hearted means to reach kids as irreverence for our Lord Jesus Christ. When dealing with troubled adolescent kids…any kid as far as that goes, it becomes necessary to speak to them on their level of understanding. Speaking to them about soteriology or Christology on adult terms often does not penetrate to their hearts.

I do not believe in anyway that He, the Holy Spirit is some kind of a drug.

When the Holy Spirit touches me, initially and many times since then, there is great euphoria…so great that the description is not possible with human words. The Holy Spirit fulfills my spiritual, emotional, and physical needs completely. He will do this for all who call on Jesus Christ.

Keep up the good work of testing the spirits…

In His Service,

Nic

Regarding this brother’s thoughts, I Definately feel where he’s  coming from too……nothing like truly being touched by the Holy Spirit

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Acts 4:31
After they prayed, the place where they were meeting was shaken. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke the word of God boldly

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Acts 6:3
Brothers, choose seven men from among you who are known to be full of the Spirit and wisdom. We will turn this responsibility over to them…This proposal pleased the whole group. They chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit; also Philip, Procorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas, and Nicolas from Antioch, a convert to Judaism.Acts 6:4-6 (in Context) Acts 6 (Whole Chapter)
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Acts 13:52
And the disciples were filled with joy and with the Holy Spirit.
Acts 13:51-52 (in Context) Acts 13 (Whole Chapter)
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Romans 8:6
The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace;
Romans 8:5-7 (in Context) Romans 8 (Whole Chapter)

 

 

 

 

 

Many other references besides this on “BEING FILLED WITH THE H.S” (and even more importantly, the actions they did when they were full of the Spirit, whether in witnessing/preaching or being led/satisfied)….., though to play on the words often used when people often cry out “MORE, LORD, POUR OUT MORE!!!!”—I’m reminded of something another said once.

“It’s not how much of the H.S you have but a matter of how much of the H.S has YOU”—–and I’ll never forget it, as those who’re truly controlled by the Spirit of God the results are so radically different/amazing and the “europhia”/satisfaction really doesn’t have to end if one is serving Him since the prescence of the Lord is ALWAYS there:

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11 You have made [a] known to me the path of life;
you will fill me with joy in your presence,
with eternal pleasures at your right hand.
Psalm 16:10-11 (in Context) Psalm 16

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      But in seeking to be in love with the prescence of the Lord, one must also balance that out with REVERENCE with the PRESCENCE OF THE LORD.—-and this is something that I think many today are forgetting. If anything, David and many in the Psalms were more radical in how much they found pleasure in the Lord/His Prescence.
As Wikipedia said,
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Piper calls himself a Christian Hedonist and teaches that “God is most glorified in us when we are most satisfied in him”and that God’s highest pursuit (“his glory”) and man’s deepest and most durable happiness come together in one pursuit – namely, the pursuit of joy in God. He was awakened to this notion in the writings of Jonathan Edwards, Blaine Pascal, and C.S. Lewis, among others, and then found it throughout the Bible, for example Ps 16:11; 37:4; Phil 3:1; 4:4 among others
Love the phrase Piper used, as one of my friends introduced me to it long ago and I thank you for reminding me of it today (As I’ve been struggling with just that). Never knew why people had issue with it–some perhaps as strongly as they do with the “HIGH ON JESUS” issue (though many like John Crowder and Benjamin I truly believe were trying to represent Jesus in the way Piper described and the supreme pleasure we’re to find in Christ—–it’s just that their analogies, IMHO, weren’t the best and could’ve been better.
 Some say that the “Getting High On Jesus” is something that would go other the category of “Disputable Issues” (according to I Corinthians 10, I Corinthians 8, and Romans 14/ Romans 14 ,1 Corinthians 8:1 , 1 Corinthians 10 ) and that it’s not as big as many make it out to be. Yet, regarding the nature of the H.S and how HE is defined in the Word, I’m not so sure it’s uncertain……..but then again, God was PRETTY clear on what happens whenever he was misrepresented. People got killed for it–GOLDEN CALF, anyone?
As another said to me on the issue,
yes, let him who eats not despise him who does not and we should be careful to not be a stumbling block. Either bc we partake or bc we do not…
to him that considers it a sin even though it is not – for that person it is a sin….. but for me to judge harshly those who think they are only sharing the gospel the best way they can, I believe in granting mercy

My thoughts: So, there’s really no point that one can say “You’re misrepresenting the Lord as He was….” if someone else gets it and we don’t?

If I say “Jesus is my Homeboy” (or “Jesus is my Nigga…”, to be straight real as others have said this), that one could not do so and say “That’s not Holy or showing the Lord as He is—-not just my friend, but the one whom all heaven and earth must BOW BEFORE/THE WORLD will tremble”? Holiness?

Other examples,

Buddy Jesus (for those who ever saw the movie “DOGMA”) reflects an “image of Jesus created in the pulpits of America long before this idol was ever forged, seeing that far too many preachers are so hell-bent on preaching ‘life application’ and/or self-help sermons that their the ones who’ve trivialized Jesus and his message”…

There’s an entire line where these things are made here, where they’re seeking to make Jesus relevant to the culture as “fishers of men” (http://www.wearefishermen.com/splash.html….. but the point of it all is this: Can anyone say “Ok, this is where the line gets drawn—-that’s wrong” ?

  

        Regarding these pictures, one person said this to me:
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personally, I think Jesus would smile and shake his head…..

To a degree, I can see that (as in the sense of “Ya’ll are too crazy….and some straight fools”, and seeing the way he interacted with the disciples when they messed up/called em “dense” at times for either arguing amongst themselves near his death for who’d have the best seats/positions of authority or when they were slow to believe on some things even though he’d already done enough for them to believe, I have to wonder)….but on the same token, I’d think He’d be grieved as well, as those things do in a sense trivialize who He is (kinda like the “Smokin’ Baby Jesus” thought). Though I can see where they’re coming from, I honestly just don’t know—–and seeing how ticked God got when the Israelites made him to look like a golden calf/misrepresented Him pretty raw there, I still have pause on some things. ( #72). Got Israel into a heap of trouble wh

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fEphesians 5:1-51Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children 2and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.3But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. 4Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. 5For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a man is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.[a]
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Colossians 3. 8But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.

Now, perhaps I’m wrong, but I’ve always been under the mentality that anything I say should be able to help GLORIFY the Lord and that it should also serve as a way of bringing people closer to the Lord……and if my language is not doing that, then whatever I say is of no consequence.

Even in light of what many may say regarding how some earthy language is appropiate for the Christian in order to “relate” to those around us, I’m constantly reminded of what the Word says regarding the distinction that is to be made between those living for the Lord and others who are not and how we’re not to be COMPLETELY THE SAME IN OUR LANGUAGE/WAYS, especially in the case of language where certain words may have certain connonations regardless of the culture or the context…and in light of the “drug terminology”, making certain it portrays God as this is key, IMHO:

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1 Peter 1:16-1816for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”[a]17Since you call on a Father who judges each man’s work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear. 18For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers,
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Quote:1 Peter 2:7-1211Dear friends, I urge you, as aliens and strangers in the world, to abstain from sinful desires, which war against your soul. 12Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us.

And I definately feel you regarding not being an offense to anyone when it comes to working with others, as we’re held accountable for that.:

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Mark 9:41-43 41I tell you the truth, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to Christ will certainly not lose his reward.
Causing to Sin 42″And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck. 43If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.[a]

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Matthew 18:5-9 5″And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. 6But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.7″Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come! 8If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. 9And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.

Of course, I could be off

 Connecting back with the ORIGINAAL post……
          In any case, whether for “GETTING HIGH” or not, the bottom line we must remember (even if it seems the way we try to convey it may not get the point across the best way), HIS LOVE/PRESCENCE and HIS PLEASURE (WHEN WE’RE ABOUT HIS BUISNESS OF HIS WILL/WORK) IS ADDICTING—AND WE’RE TO SEEK/PURSUE IT REGARDLESS….

CHRISTIAN HEDIONIST, 4 LIFE—and as Piper said best “God is most glorified in us when we are most satisfied in him”—God’s highest pursuit (“his glory”) and man’s deepest and most durable happiness come together in one pursuit – namely, the pursuit of joy in God (Ps 16:11; 37:4; Phil 3:1; 4:4 among others). SOLOMON’S life demonstrated PERFECTLY, IMHO, what happens when one loses sight of that (“GIVE ME NEITHER POVERTY or RICHES”: The MISSING FACTOR, whether for or against WOF ).

Ecclesiastes 1 Ecclesiastes 2 , Ecclesiastes 3, Ecclesiastes 4 , Ecclesiastes 5:10-17, Ecclesiastes 5, Ecclesiastes 6, Ecclesiastes 7 , Ecclesiastes 8 , Ecclesiastes 9 , Ecclesiastes 11, & Ecclesiastes 12

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11 You have made [a] known to me the path of life;
you will fill me with joy in your presence,
with eternal pleasures at your right hand.
Psalm 16:10-11 (in Context) Psalm 16

Psalm 19:9-11 (in Context) Psalm 19 (Whole Chapter)

The ordinances of the LORD are sure
and altogether righteous.

10 They are more precious than gold,
than much pure gold;
they are sweeter than honey,
than honey from the comb. 11 By them is your servant warned;
in keeping them there is great reward.

Psalm 119:103
How sweet are your words to my taste, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
Psalm 119:102-104 (in Context) Psalm 119 (Whole Chapter)

John 4
31Meanwhile his disciples urged him, “Rabbi, eat something.”

32But he said to them, “I have food to eat that you know nothing about.”
33Then his disciples said to each other, “Could someone have brought him food?” 34″My food,” said Jesus, “is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work

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          For those guys into “Getting HIGH ON JESUS!!!!!/HE’S MY DRUG OF CHOICE”, this again is what I think they may be into and probably the best way they could’ve expressed themselves. And regarding what appears to me as error, Part of me’s reminded of what happened with Solomon—who though not flawless at the beginning of his reign throughout his lifetime. Solomon, despite God’s explicit commands to not make alliances with other nations, did so at the very onset of His reign —as it was through marriage of the daughters of other nations that milatary alliances were formed for security (and hence why Solomon later had 700 of them–it wasn’t just an issue of “jungle fever” . His building lavishly of the house for the daughter of Egypt GREATLY taxed the people, and seemed odd it took more years for that than the temple if I’m correct ( 1 Kings 9 )(and though it may’ve initially seemed as if the nation had no problem, it was one of those “sleeper agent” problems which came back later to haunt him/the nation of God seriously—-and even with God reminding him of what He emphasized earlier in Deuteronomy/Numbers, he didn’t listen, 1 Kings 11. much like the ones in our own life which God has adressed and we tolerate due to not seeing immediate effects or “big enough” ones to alarm us quickly). God had instructed him/the people not to sacrifice at the high places seeing that they became inroads for pagan ideas/influences and were not under the rule/influence of the priests in the Jerusalem temple who could give Biblical oversight—even though, Solomon tolerated (sin)..hence, why God appeared to him in a dream instead of in the temple where those things usually happen (lest God come off as if He was validating the HIGH PLACE practice).

Nonetheless, God saw Solomon’s heart and how he desired to rule justly and He honored that—-despite how Solomon was not seeking the Lord in other areas, IMHO (as seen in his accumulating great wealth for himself later in life, contrary to SCRIPTURAL principles for a King –and taxed the people/enslaved some of them so greatly that by the end of his reign for his son, the nation was ripe for a revolution ( 1 Kings 10 , 1 Kings 12)

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1 Kings 3

Solomon Asks for Wisdom

1 Solomon made an alliance with Pharaoh king of Egypt and married his daughter. He brought her to the City of David until he finished building his palace and the temple of the LORD, and the wall around Jerusalem. 2 The people, however, were still sacrificing at the high places, because a temple had not yet been built for the Name of the LORD. 3 Solomon showed his love for the LORD by walking according to the statutes of his father David, except that he offered sacrifices and burned incense on the high places.

4 The king went to Gibeon to offer sacrifices, for that was the most important high place, and Solomon offered a thousand burnt offerings on that altar. 5 At Gibeon the LORD appeared to Solomon during the night in a dream, and God said, “Ask for whatever you want me to give you.”

6 Solomon answered, “You have shown great kindness to your servant, my father David, because he was faithful to you and righteous and upright in heart. You have continued this great kindness to him and have given him a son to sit on his throne this very day.
7 “Now, O LORD my God, you have made your servant king in place of my father David. But I am only a little child and do not know how to carry out my duties. 8 Your servant is here among the people you have chosen, a great people, too numerous to count or number. 9 So give your servant a discerning heart to govern your people and to distinguish between right and wrong. For who is able to govern this great people of yours?”

10 The Lord was pleased that Solomon had asked for this. 11 So God said to him, “Since you have asked for this and not for long life or wealth for yourself, nor have asked for the death of your enemies but for discernment in administering justice, 12 I will do what you have asked. I will give you a wise and discerning heart, so that there will never have been anyone like you, nor will there ever be. 13 Moreover, I will give you what you have not asked for—both riches and honor—so that in your lifetime you will have no equal among kings. 14 And if you walk in my ways and obey my statutes and commands as David your father did, I will give you a long life.” 15 Then Solomon awoke—and he realized it had been a dream.
He returned to Jerusalem, stood before the ark of the Lord’s covenant and sacrificed burnt offerings and fellowship offerings. [a] Then he gave a feast for all his court
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Part of me, regarding the situation with my friends being into “Getting HIGH” blasphemy, is thinking “Man, Lord, just like with Solomon, it’s confusing to me seeing how they can be filled with wisdom and see you work MIGHTILY in response to their vaild prayers on some things—like preaching the Gospel, seeing God work wonders/deliverances of many kinds to show His power and how REAL He is, encouragement, etc—and yet on other things they don’t exercise wisdom where you’ve made yourself CLEAR on some things….how can they operate in the Gifts of the Spirit in 1 Corinthians 12 in some areas/seek to utilize them for thy glory and yet abuse them in the same breath (Just as it is with me and the “error” on my side of the street that I’m either willfully comfortable with or honestly don’t realize what I’m doing, even in being presented Scripture that just doesn’t “click” at the time). Kinda like Jesus said to people who truly thought they were doing right to them in abusing/crucifying Him,

Quote:
lLuke 23:34
Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”
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2 Timothy 2:23-25 (in Context) 2 Timothy 2 2 Timothy 2:23-26
23Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.

As another reminded me of awhile back (#6), You see, if we get the correct perspective of grace, the cross, and redemption, these other truths will follow closely behind. If we are more concerned with “our doctrinal truth” than we are God’s glory, we have lost the meaning of redemption. Listen closely. GOD DOES NOT TREAT US THIS WAY. He takes us, all jacked up and slowly conforms us to the image of His Son. Christ or the Holy Spirit, does not wait with a bat in Their hands ready to beat us, because we don’t fully understand soteriology, pnuematology, eschatology, trinitarianism, bibliology, hamartiology, ecclesiology, or even Christology. What God does is “demonstrates, His love towards us, while we were yet sinners”. God is patient with our progression and conformity and guess why, because He is the one who conforms us!

If you are reading this and this seems like you, impatient, unkind, always finding fault, you may want to evaluate your own progression. How long did you sit under “bad theology”? How long was it before you were convinced on truths you now hold as gold? What about certain sin areas? How long did you struggle with lust, envy, unforgiveness, or impatience before you got it right. Paul penned it beautifully in 2 Corinthians 13 when he said “examine YOURSELVES”.

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One Response to ““I Think God’s like….”: When are we to draw the Line regarding the representations of God/analogies to Show Him? (PART 1)/”Smokin’n The Ghost….”—-”

  1. You might like to see this video… I am not certain, but I think it is from a recent worship set from the “tokin the baby Jesus” tour.

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