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STILL FACING THE WORST….. THOUGH THE CURSE WAS ALREADY REVERSED?? Personal Thoughts on the idea (GOOD and BAD) of GENERATIONAL CURSES (Part 1)

Posted by Gabriel (G²) on January 9, 2008

 
 I love movies……..AND TO anyone wondering, there’s a point to me having this one up. Minus the fact that this is literally my FAVORITE DISNEY MOVIE OF ALL TIME, the theme itself of love being powerful enough to redeem someone has always captivated me. The scene where the Bell risks all to save the Beast/Redeem Him is truly powerful……
But catch this: On the part where the Beast transforms into a MAN, has anyone wondered what it would appear like if the Beast still looked like a BEAST AFTER THE CURSE WAS BROKEN? Or if he still had some remnants of BEASTIAL FACIAL HAIR ON HIS BACK/CHEST? It’d be pretty hilarious and confusing, as it defeats the purpose of the movie
Nonetheless, so it seems that the same thing has happened in the Christian realm regarding the redeeming power of the CROSS/RESSURECTION OF CHRIST………SPECIFICALLY ON THE ISSUE OF SOMEGTHING CALLED GENERATIONAL CURSES—AND THE IDEA BY MANY THAT EVEN AFTER ONE COMES TO FAITH IN CHRIST, THERE ARE STILL CURSES IN THEIR LIFE THAT HIS BLOOD WAS NOT POWERFUL ENOUGH TO BREAK AT THE INITIAL CONVERSION AND THAT ONE MUST CONTINUALLY GO THROUGOUT LIFE LOOKING FOR THOSE CURSES, PRAYING SPECIFIC PRAYERS AND MAKING SURE THEY HAVE NO HOLD OVER THEM……AND THAT EVERYTHING BAD IN LIFE IS DUE TO A CURSE OF SOME SORT
           
    
   Now, admittedly, I do believe in the concept of generational curses…….but I believe that my reasons are a bit distinct from what is typically heard on the issue (MORE LATER AT THE END).  
There has been some good discussion on the issue of  GENERATIONAL CURSES from some good friends elsewhere. In their views, they believe that teaching on  generational curses are basically a false teaching and something which should be avoided at all costs. If anyone’s interested, they can go to these sites (Brothers Lionel Woods and  Tyris Horton from “Black & Reformed Ministries”)
 http://www.thinkchristians.blogspot.com/
http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/01/04/dr-tony-evans-teaches-on-generational-curses/#comment-90
 http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/01/08/so-what-is-the-big-deal-a-post-discussing-my-issue-with-generational-curses/#comment-95
Also, for good study material on the issue, these can be considered (though please note that I do not agree 100% with them……I simply studied them each on my own, and in checking out the Scriptures I thought that each of them have relevant information on the issue that I think it noteworthy):
Concerning Curses
STILL FACING THE WORST….. THOUGH THE CURSE WAS ALREADY REVERSED?? Personal Thoughts on the idea (GOOD and BAD) of GENERATIONAL CURSES (Part 2)
STILL FACING THE WORST….. THOUGH THE CURSE WAS ALREADY REVERSED?? Personal Thoughts on the idea (GOOD and BAD) of GENERATIONAL CURSES (Part 3)
STILL FACING THE WORST….. THOUGH THE CURSE WAS ALREADY REVERSED?? Personal Thoughts on the idea (GOOD and BAD) of GENERATIONAL CURSES (Part 4): Examining whether or not a CHRISTIAN CAN BE DEMONIZED

STILL FACING THE WORST….. THOUGH THE CURSE WAS ALREADY REVERSED?? Personal Thoughts on the idea (GOOD and BAD) of GENERATIONAL CURSES (Part 6): Praying on BEHALF OF THE NATION??

http://www.reachouttrust.org/articles/doctrine/gencur.htm
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/c102.html
 http://www.nireland.com/evangelicaltruth/generationalcurses.htm
http://www.gotquestions.org/generational-curses.html
http://www.revivalchristian.org/120106.htm
http://www.net-burst.net/bible/curse.htm
http://www.inplainsite.org/html/generational_curses.html
IMHO, the best one to investigate would be this:
 http://www.godsbibletruth.com/downloads/GenerationalCurses.pdf
http://articles.webraydian.com/article2895-Are_Generational_Curses_in_effect_today.html
 http://www.apostolic.net/biblicalstudies/curse.htm
http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue40.htm
http://cicministry.org/radio_series.php?series=gencurses
       Regarding the websites by Brother Lionel/Tyris on the issue, Here’s the excerpt from the article that got things going:
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Reversing the Generational Curse
Did you know that many problems people face are linked to choices their parents, grandparents and even “great-grandpa” made? This may be a new way of thinking for you, and it is certainly not about placing blame. Yet we need to know God´s truth about generational curses and how to live free of their bondages.A generational curse is passed down from one generation to another due to rebellion against God. If your family line is marked by divorce, incest, poverty, anger or other ungodly patterns, you’re most likely under a generational curse. The Bible says that these curses are tied to choices.Deuteronomy 30:19 says we can either choose life and blessing or death and cursing. Freedom comes when we confess the ungodly patterns, ask God for forgiveness and then walk in obedience by consistently choosing His ways.
From there, Mr.Evans was labeled as being  guilty of teaching false teaching on the subject. and therefore those believing in such were in the same box.  Regarding some of the reasons why one of the individuals had a problem with the issue, this is what was said:
Yes, I do believe certain patterns of behavior are easily passed from one generation to another, womanizing, promiscuity, abuse, and drug addiction are a few I know that has been rampant in my family.2. Yes the same patterns do befall, if the same behaivor (which is sin) are practcied.3. Yep I do believe a mother who raises her children to depend on welfare versus hard work, integrity and promoting education will produce children that are bound to be on welfare and the such.4. Now this is the million dollar question. Let me answer this for you.A. The way generational curses are described today has nothing to do with modeling and practice and is heavily attached to NATURE OR DNA. This is where we break with such teaching. Joyce Meyer, Creflo Dollar and other such teachers teach that a generational curse is passed down by bloodline not by example. So in other words, a kid adopted may still carry these sins and is powerless against them into an adoptive family.B. This teaching is based on a scripture in the Old Testament about God visiting the sins of the father down to the 3 or 4th generation (Deut 5:9). This teaching in other words leaves a person helpless against sins of their forefathers unless they somehow repent (of someone elses sin) and break the curse.
1. This leads to me asking does God then create the
curse or is it the devil?C. Finally lets ask ourselves something. Think about these theological terms: Born Again (John 3), Adoption (Galatians 4:5, Ephesians 1) and New Creation (Romans 6, 2 Corinthians 5). To say I have a generational curse is to say that Christ’s atoning work on the cross was insufficient. To say I have a generational curse is to minimize the power and authority of God, by saying the Holy Spirit is not all powerful and has no authority in bringing sanctification power in the life of the believer.

A genarational curse is a heresy taught by WoF preachers to cut holes in the pockets of their congregants and follwers. It is a sensational teaching that reduces the work of Christ and the Holy Spirit to mere spectators and not all powerful. Finally it gives a pass to those who are in sin, instead of dealing with indwelling sin cause by the “lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye, and the pride of life” it becomes daddy’s and mamma’s fault. Instead of the doctrine of original sin the weight is laid on my parents. Instead of Christians being held responsible and acknowledging their refusal of the Lordship of Chirst, I can just point to picture on the wall of grandaddy and say it is all his fault. That is why I have a problem with it

 Now, in no way am I defending Mr.Evans 100%. His dealing with OTHERS who promote heresies is an issue that needs to be denounced.
 However, on this issue, though I appreciate this individual for sharing their thoughts (many of which were SPOT ON),it seemed to me that it may be benefical to clarify some of the things before deciding whether or not to go to war over the issue.
For example,
How does teaching generational curses reduce the work of Christ/Holy Spirit to spectators? I grew up within WOF…….and  In many places where I’ve heard of it, they’re promoted to be the ones involved in revealing those things to people, leading them to trust in Him and transforming them regarding it…..
Also, for many believing it, I’ve not seen them necessarily make the leaps in thinking that “I’M NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR MY SIN” or “I JUST CAN’T HELP IT OR CHANGE”. Many have acknowledged their own refusal of the Lordship of Christ and unwillingness to submit to the Holy Spirit as the result of their lives being “cursed” ……and even regarding the terminology itself, it may be beneficial to define how the term itself is used. Not every WOF teacher (or even other teachers from ALL kinds of DENOMINATIONS) believes the same when using the term…..but again, that’s just me…
For many, the term “generational curse” is simply the same thing as identifying or recognizing different sin patterns to mortify before the cross of Christ…..something which EVERY CHRISTIAN GOES THROUGH, becoming daily aware of differing sins in their lives that they need to repent of and perhaps the same sins that seemed to have happened in their families  naturally.
 

Again, there are many points I definately agree with the individual on. To hear people do as THE individual is describing is akin, IMHO, to others many times claiming “THE DEVIL MADE ME DO IT” whenever they’re tempted to fall into sin……and that simply will not do.Even if one were to make the argument that children are BOUND TO REPEAT THE MISTAKES OF THEIR CHILDREN 100% OF THE TIME (WITH NO HOPE EVEN WHEN IN CHRIST……), I think that many things should be clarified. Granted, there may be things that we in our flesh may be INCLINED TO MORE NATURALLY as a result of what our parents did……but the issue of GOD’S POWER IS MORE THAN ABLE TO OVERCOME THAT.

Surely, if crack babies—–born with a bent toward something damaging — have grown to overcome the attraction of drug usage even though their mothers were involved in it and they suffered as a result, then claiming “generational curses” as the backdoor whenever sin comes up will not do. Heck, even in Studying the Book of I-II Kings, it can be seen that people were not NECESSARILY DESTINED TO REPEAT THE SINS OF THEIR FATHERS.

 

For example, despite how WICKED MANASSEAH WAS AND HOW HIS ACTIONS HAD GRAVE CONSEQUENCES FOR THE NATION OF JUDAH (by which even the innocent suffered, despite how his GRANDFATHER WAS KING HEZEKIAH—- A GODLY MAN—AND THEREFORE SHOULD’VE BEEN UNDER THE GENERATIONAL BLESSING if that was ALWAYS TRUE THAT THE PARENTS DOING RIGHT WAS GENETIC 100%), JOSIAH did not repeat his father’s mistakes. When he heard the Word o of the Lord and repented, God was merciful and CHANGED HIS LIFE (II Chronicles 29-35)

HE WAS NOT DESTINED TO REPEAT HIS FATHER’S MISTAKES WITHOUT QUALIFICATION, despite how those mistakes had ramifications for his generation.

This, IMHO, is very relevant to me……for I come from a bad history myself regarding my father…..and not surprisingly, though I NEVER KNEW HIM for 18 yrs, many of the same traits he had I ended up manifesting myself and wondering why. When I met him & realized this, it honestly freaked me out…..and I feared that I would become just like him.

However, though I was inclined toward the same specific things he was at times and I came to square with that, I was comforted by the fact that I WAS IN THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

Apart from His working in my life and making me aware of things in my life contrary to his word, I would repeat the same mistakes……..but that is not the case for me. By his might I am transformed…..

But only as I remain in Him (i.e. fellowship, obediance, faith in HIS WORK/WHO HE IS).

 

 

 

 

Speaking from personal experience, I’ve been in “de-cursing” sessions (though there were many times when I was a bit confused about things)…….and IMHO, regardless of any noble intentions or sincere desires (which God is able to work through regardless, as many people did so and they’re truly living passionately in love for CHRIST), Any prayers/incantations done as an end in themselves or treated as if they’re the solution means nothing….
and honestly….they often seem to COMPLICATE THINGS FURTHER FROM THE SIMPLE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL THAT SALVATION IS FOUND IN THE POWER/BLOOD OF CHRIST AND DAILY TRUSTING/RELYING ON HIM)…….. for any area of my life not submitted to Him will not be fruitful (”cursed”, if one wishes to say, John 15, Romans 8, Galatians 5:16-25) AND those things which may come naturally for us (i.e. womanizing, promiscuity, abuse, and drug addiction) will be that much easier to fall into.
The wages of sin (what you get when you choose to work for it) is simply DEATH,,,,,,,,
As another wisely said on the issue, WHETHER believing in a generational curse or not, the CURE FOR ALL THINGS is FOUND IN faith in Christ and a life consecrated to Him (Romans 12:1-2)……but DIAGNOSIS PROCEDDS CURE…..and without a proper understanding of how sin often spreads AND THAT WITHOUT CHRIST YOUR LIFE EXPERIENCES effects as if it were cursed, hey…..
 Also, as another wisely said,
The word “curse” is nowhere found in the Exodus passage. But if the punishment God promises idolaters is really a curse, one must ask who places the curse on the children? Human parents cannot cast curses. Neither is Satan mentioned as the source of such a curse. And if God who justly punishes sin places the curse on the children, who could break a curse instituted by God?There is no question about the fact that heredity and environment do pass some things on to descendants. But the passage in  must be read from the perspective of the finished work of Christ on the Cross. Nowhere in the New Testament do we find any reference to this concept. Strong emphasis on a generational curse binds rather than delivers believers. Outside the body of Christ, there may be evidence of a generational curse, but for believers the bondage and curse of sin are broken at salvation, even though there may be some natural traits or behavior patterns we must deal with through the help of the Holy Spirit.What is the appeal of the generational curse teaching? For one thing, it suggests that someone else is responsible for one’s wrongdoing. That fits in with the secular idea that all wrong behavior can be explained by a natural cause and need not be called sin. Then too, it offers a “quick fix” for a nagging moral sin. Instant deliverance from an evil habit like explosive anger sounds more attractive than the hard work and slower development of the fruit of the Spirit. But that is God’s design for leading the believer into a sanctified and holy life.
For anyone wanting more information on where I’m trying to come from,  I did a post recently  on the issue (though it tackles the issue from a different angle—-specifically, the angle of if living in the flesh/choosing sin is “cursed” and a Christian has the option of submitting to it, then is it possible that a Christian can end up submitting to being “cursed” unless they choose to be in Christ?)
https://emissary7.wordpress.com/2008/01/07/christians-do-not-sin-at-all-and-i-though
 Moving on,
If I may say, though there is much damage I’ve seen that comes from the subject (or as well as often resulting in many of the things listed in your earlier post, such as people refusing to take accountability for their sins, diminishing the power of the Blood of Christ to break every curse, etc), I do believe that there are some things that should be considered.
It’d be benefical to discuss the verses that are used in support of the issue of Generational Curses, as it’s always of importance to deal with every text/verse on the issue and examine their application before making an absolute statement….and in my sincere study on the issue, here’s what I’ve discoveredWhen the issue of generational curses (i.e. paticular sins/habits that seem to go down in family lines), many of those who support it are not coming out with something out of their hats. In their study, it seems that one of the aspects of God’s perfect justice involves retribution (repayment) of sin upon the guilty and their descendants.In saying that, it is basically the issue of how sin has CONSEQUENCES and that it affects not only the individual but those who come after….. These are the basic examples used a:
“For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me” Exodus 20:5 NKJV
And the LORD passed before him and proclaimed, “The LORD, the LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abounding in goodness and truth, 7keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children and the children’s children to the third and the fourth generation.” Exodus 34:6-7 NKJV
The LORD is longsuffering and abundant in mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression; but He by no means clears the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation.’ Numbers 14:18 NKJV
Deuteronomy 5:9-109 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 10 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Other things to consider:
Jeremiah 2:5-95 This is what the LORD says:
“What fault did your fathers find in me,
that they strayed so far from me?
They followed worthless idols
and became worthless themselves.
6 They did not ask, ‘Where is the LORD,
who brought us up out of Egypt
and led us through the barren wilderness,
through a land of deserts and rifts,
a land of drought and darkness, [a]
a land where no one travels and no one lives?’
7 I brought you into a fertile land
to eat its fruit and rich produce.
But you came and defiled my land
and made my inheritance detestable.
8 The priests did not ask,
‘Where is the LORD ?’
Those who deal with the law did not know me;
the leaders rebelled against me.
The prophets prophesied by Baal,
following worthless idols.
9 “Therefore I bring charges against you again,”
declares the LORD.
“And I will bring charges against your children’s children.
Jeremiah 32:17-18
17 “Ah, Sovereign LORD, you have made the heavens and the earth by your great power and outstretched arm. Nothing is too hard for you. 18 You show love to thousands but bring the punishment for the fathers’ sins into the laps of their children after them. O great and powerful God, whose name is the LORD Almighty,
Malachi 2
Admonition for the Priests
1 “And now this admonition is for you, O priests. 2 If you do not listen, and if you do not set your heart to honor my name,” says the LORD Almighty, “I will send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have already cursed them, because you have not set your heart to honor me.
3 “Because of you I will rebuke [a] your descendants [b] ; I will spread on your faces the offal from your festival sacrifices, and you will be carried off with it. 4 And you will know that I have sent you this admonition so that my covenant with Levi may continue,” says the LORD Almighty.From what I’ve read in various commentaries, this is reasonable to accept. When asking “Why would sins affect children and grandchildren…and is that not unfair?”, the punishment is not arbitrary.
Children still suffer for the sins of their parents……as in examples such as child abuse or alcoholism. While these sins are obvious, sins like selfishness and greed can be passed along as well…..and the dire consequences of sin are not limited to the indivudual family member.
To be clear, According to my Macarther Study Bible, Moses did make clear that children were not punished for the sins of their parents—FOR EVERY INDIVIDUAL IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN NECK AT THE END OF THE DAY (see Deuteronomy 24:16, Ezekiel 18:19-32)….
but nonetheless, the Word seems to make clear that children WOULD FEEL THE IMPACT OF BREACHES OF GOD’S LAW by their Parents’ generation as a NATURAL CONSEQUENCE OF ITS DISOBEDIANCE, IT’S HATRED OF GOD.
Children reared in such an environment would imbibe and then practice similar idolatry, thus themselves expressing hateful disobediance.
The difference in consequence served as both a WARNING and a MOTIVATION….and reasonably so, as the effect of a disobediant generation was to plant wickedness so deeply that it took several generations to reverse…..just as if a lake or a pond of some sort gets contaminated with pollution from other sources: The cleansing of that doesn’t happen instaneously, but takes time/alot of work to get it clean again….
Proverbs 25:26
Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked.
This is a principal that seems to be happening continually. Much like cleaning up the after-effects of a bad party, the same thing has happened repeatedly in things such as the SEXUAL REVELOUTION OF THE 60’S/70’s, ABORTION, THE INTRODUCTION OF CORRUPT PRACTICES INTO THE MEDIA WAVES, the DESTRUCTION OF THE HOME AMONG BLACK FAMILIES, etc……the actions of individuals in those eras are still affecting the children today.
To me, it seems no more unreasonable to think this than it is to believe that Adam and Eve’s Sin still is passed down from generation to generation despite how their descendants were not there……and that apart from being in the POWER/SPIRIT OF GOD, you’re bound to suffer the natural consequences of those choices.
Their individual sins of things such as rebellion/autonomy and various other things had far-reaching effects due to the NATURE OF SIN/IT’S INFECTIVENESS….and in time manifested into other things
For example, Adam and Eve’s disobediance brought sin into the human race, and their sinful nature quickly developed into their children, as simple disobediance quickly degenerated into outright murder with Cain. Though in the Lord he was not bound to do that (As God had warned him, Genesis 4:1-6), the end result of not submitting himself to the Lord is that the curse of sin overtook him.
Regarding the Ezekiel 18 passage, I think it’s noteworthy to address the context of this passage since it’s highly relevant to the discussion.
During the time, the people of Judah had been sent into EXILE after repeated warnings from the Lord (II Chronicles 36:15-23, II Kings 25)…..just as it happened with their sister nation ISRAEL, who had experienced destruction as well (II Kings 17).
And many innocents suffered as well. Children were murdered, women were raped……and even Godly People such as Daniel and others were sent into exile with their families/friends murdered…… and many who served the Lord wondered why (Psalm 44, Psalm 74, Psalm 79, Psalm 80, Psalm 85, Psalm 89, Psalm 102, Psalm 106, Psalm 123, Psalm 137, etc….much of what I studied comes from the CHRONOLOGICAL STUDY BIBLE, in case confused as to the Psalms brought up_
As evidenced by the exile’s children saying of the popular proverb ” eaten sour grapes” (which in effect means “our fathers sinned.; we inherit the bitterness”……Jeremiah 31:29-30, Lamentations 5:7), The people of Judah believed they were being punished for the sins of their ancestors and NOT THEIR OWN, despite how they were idolatrous (II Kings 21:15.
In their minds, they thought this way because it was the teaching of the Decalogue (10 Commandments, Exodus 20:5)….and instead, Ezekiel taught that the destruction of Jerusalem was due to spiritual decay in previous generations.
But this belief in the corporate life of Israel led to FATALISM & IRRESPONSIBILITY (i.e. “It’s just GENETIC…..” or “I CANNOT HELP IT, for it’s IN MY BLOOD….”)
So Ezekiel taught gave God’s new policy for the new land because the people had MISCONSTRUED the OLD ONE. God judges each person individually….and that although we often suffer the effects of sins (“curses”) committed by those who came before us, GOD DOES NOT PUNISH US FOR SOMEONE ELSE’S SINS…AND WE CAN’T USE THEIR MISTAKES AS AN EXCUSE FOR OUR SINS OR THE POWER TO BE DELIVERED FROM THEM IN THE LORD.
EACH PERSON is ACCOUNTABLE TO GOD FOR HIS OR HER OWN ACTIONS……

Many of those who believe in generational curses well understand that This is a FOUNDATIONAL PRINCIPLE OF SCRIPTURE (as also seen in Deuteronomy 24:16 & II Kings 14:6, though even here it should be noted that there have been exceptions in Scripture such as in the case of the death of David and Bathsheba’s First son in II Samuel 12:14 and the death of Saul’s 7 grandsons in II Samuel 21:5-9….and also the infamous case of Jehu wipping out the ENTIRE LINE OF AHAB in II Kings 9-10)
In addition, some of the people of Judah used the corporate umbrella of God’s Blessing as an excuse for disobeying God. They thought that because of their righteous ancestors (Ezekiel 18:5-9), they would live….but God told them that they would not; they were the evil sons of righteous parents and, as such, would die….FOR THEY CANNOT CLAIM THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THEIR PARENTS (Ezekiel 18:10-13). If anyone, however, returned to God, he or she would live.
Again, as the Word makes clear, JUDGEMENT is ACCORDING TO THE INDIVIDUAL’S PERSONAL FAITH/ACTIONS…….and even though national/corporate punishment occured, the reason for mess was INDIVIDUAL SIN (Ezekiel 3:16-21, Ezekiel 14:12-20, Ezekiel 33:1-20, etc)….and ultimately, GOD IS LOOKING AT OUR INDIVIDUAL ACTIONS AS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE.
Apologies if anything I’ve said came off as repetitious or wordy…..but I pray I’ve made sense. I well understand that The scriptures proclaim Jesus redeemed us from the “curse of the law” (Galatians 3:10-14), so that we may partake of the blessing on Abraham and his descendants (through faith in Christ).
 However,, as said earlier,  any area of my life not submitted to Him will not be fruitful (”cursed”, if one wishes to say, John 15, Romans 8, Galatians 5:16-25) AND those things which may come naturally for us (i.e. womanizing, promiscuity, abuse, and drug addiction) will be that much easier to fall into……AND BEING SAVED DOES NOT ERASE THE OPTION OF A  Christian BEING ABLE TO CHOOSE WHETHER OR NOT TO  THE FLESH OR TO GOD, TO CHOOSE BLESSINGS OR CURSES……AND OUTSIDE OF CHRIST, YOU are SUBJECT TO THE NATURAL CURSES THAT COME FROM SIN….https://emissary7.wordpress.com/2008/01/07/christians-do-not-sin-at-all-and-i-though
Moreover, I also realize that Scripture makes clear that I DO HAVE AN OLD NATURE that is CURSED/CORRUPTED and that CAN BE TAKEN UP AGAIN. Our old way of life BEFORE WE BELIEVED IN CHRIST is completely in the PAST, and we should PUT IT BEHIND us like old clothes to be thrown away.
This is both a once and for all decision to accept Christ’s gift of salvation (Ephesians 2:8-9), yet also something we must DAILY COMMIT TO CHOOSING.:
  
  
  
  
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Ephesians 4:17-24
Living as Children of Light
 17So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. 18They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. 19Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, with a continual lust for more.
 20You, however, did not come to know Christ that way. 21Surely you heard of him and were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus. 22You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.
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Colossians 3
Rules for Holy Living
 1Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God. 2Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. 3For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. 4When Christ, who is your[a] life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.
 5Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. 6Because of these, the wrath of God is coming.[b] 7You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. 8But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. 9Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices 10and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator. 11Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.
 12Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. 13Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. 14And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.
 15Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful.
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Also, I’d be  very interested in seeing what others have to think of this, as where people confessed and repented from sins of their ancestry. :

King Asa repented from his father’s sin by destroying the idols in the land and serving the Lord (1 Kings 15:11-14).

King Josiah humbled himself and mourned his forefathers’ sin before the Lord. God spared him of the disaster He was bringing on Judah because of the earlier generations’ sin (2 Kings 22:11,13,19-20).

Nehemiah confessed fathers’ and Israel’s sin (Nehemiah 1:5-7)

Ezra confessed forefathers’ sin (Ezra 9:5-15, Ezra 10:1, Ezra 10:1)

The Israelites with Nehemiah confessed their fathers’ sin (Nehemiah 9:1-37)

 

Daniel confessed forefathers’ sin (Daniel 9:4-19)

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       I find all of those to be highly interesting, as in my study the use of “WE”/identifying themselves with the sin of the people, even though he did not participate in it, seem to demonstrate that the sin of the few is sufficient to contaminate the many…..and as many believe, if there was no problem with these individuals doing so before the Lord, why can it not be done today when one comes to realization that one of their ancestors committed something heinous against the Lord  that is still affecting on a large scale? But again, that’s just me……
If anyone’s interested, I’d love to hear your thoughts. There are some who may disagree and that’s cool….but what I’ve placed down is what I’ve seen in my honest study of the Word. And all the extra info/links are my attempt to make sure every angle on the subject gets seen. As the Word makes clear,
Proverbs 11:1
The LORD abhors dishonest scales, but accurate weights are his delight.
Proverbs 20:23
The LORD detests differing weights, and dishonest scales do not please him.
        My goal is not to be an  UNJUST  judge, where I choose to place more weight on one issue if I’m not willing to give fair hearing to the other. Again, In my understanding, I must be open/willing to hear ALL SIDES OF THE story, get all the facts, NOT SHOW FAVORTISM, ask as many questions as possible, & at least willing to admit the possibility of error in my side when dealing with issues………and and anything less would be foolish.
Proverbs 18:13
He who answers before listening— that is his folly and his shame.
Proverbs 18:15
The heart of the discerning acquires knowledge; the ears of the wise seek it out.
Proverbs 18:17
The first to present his case seems right, till another comes forward and questions him.
Proverbs 19:2
It is not good to have zeal without knowledge, nor to be hasty and miss the way.
2 Timothy 2:15
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 James 3:17
But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere.
 And again, the issue for me is that the only place where curses are broken is IN CHRIST……in CHRIST!!!!
         As another wisely said on the issue,
Those who put their hope and trust in God are blessed (Jeremiah 17:5). Those who put their trust in man are cursed (Jeremiah 17:7). There are two distinct eternal destinies waiting for those who are either blessed or cursed heaven or hell. The issue is not between us and the devil, with special knowledge tipping the scales one way or the other. The issue is between humans and God. Will we love, trust, believe, and follow God with our whole heart? If so, we are blessed, whether rich or poor, sick or healthy, from a happy family ancestry, or from a long line of notorious sinners. God shows no partiality. He will bless, for all eternity, those who put their trust in Him by believing upon Jesus Christ who became a curse that we might inherit (not earn) the blessings of Abraham (Galatians 3:13,14).

 

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One Response to “STILL FACING THE WORST….. THOUGH THE CURSE WAS ALREADY REVERSED?? Personal Thoughts on the idea (GOOD and BAD) of GENERATIONAL CURSES (Part 1)”

  1. […] willing to learn), it shows a fairly good bit of where I’m trying to come from on the issue. https://emissary7.wordpress.com/2008/01/09/still-facing-the-worst-though-the-curse-was-already-revers…     The second on is on the issue of “Can a Christian be demonized or not? Saved is one […]

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