Posted by Gabriel (G²) on December 21, 2007

To anyone interested: This is a video (about 57 minutes) on the Pastor of Saddleback Church, and how he discusses politics and Christianity and his book, “The Purpose Driven Life”.

Segment 2 involves Gregory Boyd, pastor of Woodland Hills Church and how he discusses his book, “The Myth of a Christian Nation”. (and How the Quest for Political Power Is Destroying the Church (2006).

Now, not that I support the man since there are many serious issues I with the man, (and to see more in-depth, consider these links:


http://gcraige.podbean.com/2007/09/02/ex-cast-episode-16-will-ford (this is a podcast on the issue of government & church)

(this is a radio message on the issues of “The Purpose Driven Life” )



Minus the many issues I have with Rick WarrenThe video is very intriguing, as it offers FIRST HAND INFORMATIOn on the views of those FOR/AGAINST THE CHURCH GAINING POLITICAL POWER and where they’re coming from (and this is especially important in light of the way the political landscape is shaping into....PATICULARLY HOW POLITICIANS SEEM TO BE INCREASING IN THEIR REACHING TOWARD CHRISTIAN ISSUES, even though at times it actually goes against the LAW…and the PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS coming up & how many churches are rallying to gain the support of governmental political figures in an attempt to gain more prominence, even at times when it means COMPROMISE/going against Scriptural Principles)

For example,

Mike Huckabee has gained the support of people like John Hagge, Kenneth Copeland and others. However, for them to get POLITICALLY INVOLVED, isn’t that illegal?

If Copeland is using monies from his 510(c)3 Corporation to support a presidential candidate, he is in violation of the laws and regulations that tax exempt corporations are under.

“The ban on political campaign activity by charities and churches was created by Congress more than a half century ago. The Internal Revenue Service administers the tax laws written by Congress and has enforcement authority over tax-exempt organizations. Here is some background information on the political campaign activity ban and the latest IRS enforcement statistics regarding its administration of this congressional ban.

In 1954, Congress approved an amendment by Sen. Lyndon Johnson to prohibit 501(c)(3) organizations, which includes charities and churches, from engaging in any political campaign activity. To the extent Congress has revisited the ban over the years, it has in fact strengthened the ban. The most recent change came in 1987 when Congress amended the language to clarify that the prohibition also applies to statements opposing candidates.

Currently, the law prohibits political campaign activity by charities and churches by defining a 501(c)(3) organization as one “which does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office.”” Internal Revenue Service United States Department of Treasury, Charities, Churches and Politics



Meant to add that The IRS regularly cautions tax exempt corporations from being involved in the political process.


There’s even an article I discovered on the subject….specifically on why Government shouldn’t use the Church for basic “electioneering”. Go to this link to find out more:


The same thing goes with people like Senator Barack Obama, by the way, who has long been lobbying churches under the notion that they’re working on adressing common issues (i.e. AIDS, etc)…..& no one has said anything about the church not getting involved politically.

Go here for evidence:


Also, it appears that he has been rallying support from churches without any hinderances. Evidence:


“Embrace the Change! Gospel Series,” was aimed at boosting Obama’s religious black voters in South Carolina. The concert tour featured McClurkin, Grammy Award winners Mary Mary and Hezekiah Walker and the Mighty Clouds of Joy among other Gospel greats……..& though Barack may not necessarily be in a church when he sponsored it, it seems he indirectly used church support by getting ahold of the people the church praises.

This by the way is an issue to me because Why is it so often the case that those in the political realm accuse others of breaking the laws of the land, whether economic/social or other, and yet seem to constantly “bend the law” themselves….. ?

At this point in the game, it’d probably be best for saints to study the OT (specifically, the Books of I-II Kings and Chronicles), as it was just as messy as the political landscape is today….and QUITE REMINISIENT . Remember Jehu (II Kings 9-10 )?

I’ve always found it funny the man was raised up by the Lord to call out/repay the wickedness of Ahab/destroy his evil influence…..and yet so much error was BLATANTLY tolerated in his side of the street. Minus the fact that the man went FAR beyond the Lord’s command with his senseless slaughter/bloodbath (which he was denounced for later by the prophet Hosea, Hosea 1:4-5)The man eliminated one form of idolatry, Baal worship, only to uphold another by continuing to worship the golden calves Jeroboam had set up which CAUSED THE FALL OF ISRAEL TO BEGIN WITH:

I Kings 12:25-33

1 Kings 13-14

II Chronicles 13

When studying the actions of Jehu, one quickly realizes that his motives were more political than spiritual.

If he had destroyed the golden calves, his people would’ve traveled to the temple in Jerusalem, in the rival southern kingdom, and worshipped there (which is why Jeroboam set them up in the first place).Baal worship was associated with the dynasty of Ahab, so it was politically ADVANTAGEOUS to destroy Baal. The golden calves, on the other hand, had a longer history in the northern kingdom and were validated by ALL POLITICAL FACTIONS.Baal Worship was anti-GOD (IN THE OBVIOUS SENSE), BUT THe golden calves were thought by many to be the visible representations of God himself, even though God’s law clearly stated that such worship was idolatrous (Exodus 20:3-6)( Exodus 32)
As the Word shows, Jehu was devoted to God only to the point that obediance served his own interests….and like Jehu, the same is happening today when men in the name of GODLINESS are denouncing the sins of others/rallying the church while excusing sin in their own lives or going against MANY OF THE STANDARDS IN GOD’S WORD THAT THE KINGDOM OF GOD ARE ALL ABOUT.

Aint nothin’ new under the sun, Brah………(Ecclesiastes 1:9)

For other articles to consider on the subject OF POLITICS/CHRISTIANITY:




Also if interested, I’d like for everyone to share their thoughts on this video by CNN called “GOD’S WARRIORS” .

In the words of WIKIPEDIA,

The three chapters were titled God’s Jewish Warriors, God’s Muslim Warriors, and God’s Christian Warriors. The first describes the Jewish settlement movement in Israel and the fund-raising in the United States that supports it, while the second presents issues of radical Islam and Sharia law. The final segment focused on the United States and the political influence of Christian religious leaders.[2]

“God’s Warriors is an investigation of religion, at a time when religious activism is a signature cultural phenomenon of our times,” said Mark Nelson, vice president and senior executive producer for CNN Productions. “This project’s global scope is ideally suited for the skills of someone with as impressive of a journalistic pedigree as our own Christiane Amanpour.”

For this documentary, Amanpour reports that during the last 30 years, each faith has exploded into a powerful political force comprising followers who share a dissatisfaction with modern society, and a determination to place God and religion back into daily life and to the seats of power. “There are millions of people around the world who feel that their faith is being ignored – pushed aside – and they are certain they know how to make the world right,” Amanpour says. “We cannot and should not ignore them. And, with this report, we’ve tried to explain them.”


Part 1

Part 2

Part 3


Part 5

Part 6

Part 7

Part 8

Part 9


Part 10

Part 11

Though I have my own personal thoughts on the issue, I’d be most interested in what you the readers have to say on the subject. Do you think that it’s something good or bad for the church to be heavily involved in POLITICS/SOCIAL ISSUES? Also, were there any other things in the videos that stood out to anyone?


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