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The New Phariseeical Movement: In the Club or NOT….OR ARE YOU part of the DIOTREPHES TEAM (III John 1:9-14)???

Posted by Gabriel (G²) on December 19, 2007

Brother Lionel Woods of “Black & Reformed” MINISTRIES had a VERY POWERFUL post that I wanted everyone to please consider checking out.

The New Phariseeical Movement

If you follow the link, the post he made should explain where he’s coming from (as well as some other thoughts on the issue that I shared too). By the way, to share some of my own thoughts on the issue (although it’d be best to check Mr. Lionel’s post first before reading whaT I have to say):

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1 Timothy 1:3-5Warning Against False Teachers of the Law
3As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer 4nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God’s work—which is by faith. 5The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.
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2 Timothy 2:15-26

14Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. 15Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.

15Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 16Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly. 17Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18who have wandered away from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some. 19Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,”[a] and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”

20In a large house there are articles not only of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay; some are for noble purposes and some for ignoble. 21If a man cleanses himself from the latter, he will be an instrument for noble purposes, made holy, useful to the Master and prepared to do any good work.

22Flee the evil desires of youth, and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 2

4And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.

Also, of paticular interest:

Titus 3:8-10

9But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. 10Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. That man is warped and sinning, being self- condemened

IMHO, proclaiming the TRUTH, not arguing error, is the Biblical way to evangelize. Those who are divisive, unsubmissive, or self-willed should be avoided….and as Paul, any conversation/interaction that is based in foolishness/unprofitable arguments is to be shunned. D

Doesn’t mean that we should refuse to study, discuss, and examine differing interpretations of difficult bible passages. But Paul is warning against petty quarrels, not honest discussion that leads to wisdom. If foolish arguments develop, it would be best to either turn the discussion back to a helpful direction or politely excuse yourself. That’s always worked for me……

Moreover,

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Ephesians 4Unity in the Body of Christ1As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. 2Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to one hope when you were called— 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

If the person being talked to is going against what the WORD SAYS in Ephesians 4:1-4 regarding guarding the UNITY OF THE BRETHREN/EDIFYING ONE another, THAT’S A PROBLEM….

Note the CHARACTERISTICS Paul highlighted. According to my Macarther Study Bible, “Humility is the most foundational Christian virtue (James 4:6), is the quality of character commanded in the first beautitude (Matthew 5:3), and describes the noble grace of Christ (Philippians 2:1-8.) Gentleness or “MEEKNESS” is the inevitable product of humility, refers to that which is mild-spirited and self-controlled (Matthew 5:5, Matthew 11:29, Galatians 5:23, Col 3:12). Long suffering, in the greek, means long-tempered and refers to a resolved patience that is an outgrowth of humility and gentleness (I Thessalonians 5:14, James 5:10).

But often, THAT IS NOT THE CASE……& in reality, why is it that we praise the form that GOD HATES?? Without love/edification involved in EVERYTHING WE DO, what’s the point?……

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Luke 22:25-2725Jesus said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. 26But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves. 27For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who is at the table? But I am among you as one who serves.

[quote]John 13

Jesus Washes His Disciples’ Feet
1It was just before the Passover Feast. Jesus knew that the time had come for him to leave this world and go to the Father. Having loved his own who were in the world, he now showed them the full extent of his love.[a]
2The evening meal was being served, and the devil had already prompted Judas Iscariot, son of Simon, to betray Jesus. 3Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God; 4so he got up from the meal, took off his outer clothing, and wrapped a towel around his waist. 5After that, he poured water into a basin and began to wash his disciples’ feet, drying them with the towel that was wrapped around him.

6He came to Simon Peter, who said to him, “Lord, are you going to wash my feet?”
7Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand.”
8″No,” said Peter, “you shall never wash my feet.”
Jesus answered, “Unless I wash you, you have no part with me.”
9″Then, Lord,” Simon Peter replied, “not just my feet but my hands and my head as well!”

10Jesus answered, “A person who has had a bath needs only to wash his feet; his whole body is clean. And you are clean, though not every one of you.” 11For he knew who was going to betray him, and that was why he said not every one was clean.

12When he had finished washing their feet, he put on his clothes and returned to his place. “Do you understand what I have done for you?” he asked them. 13″You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am. 14Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another’s feet. 5I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you. 16I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. 17Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them…….

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John 1334″A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”
Proverbs 11:12
12 A man who lacks judgment derides his neighbor,
but a man of understanding holds his tongue.
Proverbs 13:10
Pride only breeds quarrels, but wisdom is found in those who take advice
Proverbs 16:21
21 The wise in heart are called discerning,
and pleasant words promote instruction. [a]

Proverbs 16:23
23 A wise man’s heart guides his mouth,
and his lips promote instruction[/QUOTE]

Proverbs 17:14
14 Starting a quarrel is like breaching a dam;
so drop the matter before a dispute breaks out.

Proverbs 17:19
He who loves a quarrel loves sin; he who builds a high gate invites destruction.

Proverbs 20:3
3 It is to a man’s honor to avoid strife,
but every fool is quick to quarrel

Proverbs 26:21
21 As charcoal to embers and as wood to fire,
so is a quarrelsome man for kindling strife.

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Proverbs 25:15Through patience a ruler can be persuaded, and a gentle tongue can break a bone.
Luke 6:31
Do to others as you would have them do to you

1 Corinthians 1:10-18

Divisions in the Church

10I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought. 11My brothers, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. 12What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas[a]“; still another, “I follow Christ.” 13Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into[b] the name of Paul? 14I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15so no one can say that you were baptized into my name. 16(Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.) 17For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

1 Corinthians 3

On Divisions in the Church

1Brothers, I could not address you as spiritual but as worldly—mere infants in Christ. 2I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. 3You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere men? 4For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not mere men?

2 Corinthians 12:20
For I am afraid that when I come I may not find you as I want you to be, and you may not find me as you want me to be. I fear that there may be quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, factions, slander, gossip, arrogance and disorder.

Ephesians 4:28-30

 29Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. 30And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

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1 Corinthians 8:1
Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up.
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1 Corinthians 13Love
1If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,[b] but have not love, I gain nothing.4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.8Love never fails.But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
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2 Corinthians 10
Paul’s Defense of His Ministry
1By the meekness and gentleness of Christ, I appeal to you—I, Paul, who am “timid” when face to face with you, but “bold” when away! 2I beg you that when I come I may not have to be as bold as I expect to be toward some people who think that we live by the standards of this world. 3For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does.
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Ephesians 4:28-3029Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. 30And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
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Philippians 4:1-6Exhortations2I plead with Euodia and I plead with Syntyche to agree with each other in the Lord. 3Yes, and I ask you, loyal yokefellow,[a] help these women who have contended at my side in the cause of the gospel, along with Clement and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.
4Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice! 5Let your gentleness be evident to all.
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Colossians 312Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. 13Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. 14And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.
15Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace.
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1 Thessalonians 2:6-126We were not looking for praise from men, not from you or anyone else.
As apostles of Christ we could have been a burden to you, 7but we were gentle among you, like a mother caring for her little children. 8We loved you so much that we were delighted to share with you not only the gospel of God but our lives as well, because you had become so dear to us. 9Surely you remember, brothers, our toil and hardship; we worked night and day in order not to be a burden to anyone while we preached the gospel of God to you.10You are witnesses, and so is God, of how holy, righteous and blameless we were among you who believed. 11For you know that we dealt with each of you as a father deals with his own children, 12encouraging, comforting and urging you to live lives worthy of God, who calls you into his kingdom and glory.

1 Timothy 3:2-4

2Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money

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1 Timothy 6:11[ Paul’s Charge to Timothy ] But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness.

Titus 1:6-10

6An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. 7Since an overseer[a] is entrusted with God’s work, he must be blameless—not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. 8Rather he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. 9He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.

James 4:1
[ Submit Yourselves to God ] What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don’t they come from your desires that battle within you?
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1 Peter 2:17Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king.
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1 Peter 3:14-1714But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. “Do not fear what they fear[a]; do not be frightened.”[b] 15But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, 16keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander. 17It is better, if it is God’s will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.
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2 Peter 1:3-8Making One’s Calling and Election Sure3His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. 4Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.5For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; 6and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; 7and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. 8For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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1 John 3:10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
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1 John 4:7[ God’s Love and Ours ] Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
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1 John 4:12-21

12No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
13We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. 14And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God. 16And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. 17In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like him. 18There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
19We love because he first loved us. 20If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. 21And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.

By the way, I may get in trouble for this…..but in connection with the post, I’ve often found it intriguing that many with the Pharisee mentality you described often do NOT HAVE A SOLID CHURCH THEY ATTEND.….& often when questioned, their standard response is that no one is CORRECT IN THEIR THEOLOGY or THE CHURCHES THEY’VE SEEN ARE ALL INCORRECT( when the reality could be that it’s not lining up with their preferences, assumptions, and what they feel church should be).

To me, I find this a problem…..for it seems to be the mentality of one dating someone & being unwilling to commit because of the fact that they”re not the PERFECT MATE, even though the one making that claim is NOT PERFECT THEMSELVES . And God does not give permission for believers to be DATING HIS CHURCH, but to find fellowship somewhere and LOOK FOR PLACES TO SERVE AND edify rather than to SOLELY HAVE THEIR VOICES/DOCTRINAL STANCES ELEVATED.


Joshua Harris’s Book “Stop Dating the Church” speaks perfectly about the situation.

http://64.13.216.130/stop_dating_the_church.php

To me, this also seems akin (to a degree, IMHO) of the situation RARELY mentioned in MANY CHURCHES today:

3 John 1:5-11

5Dear friend, you are faithful in what you are doing for the brothers, even though they are strangers to you. 6They have told the church about your love. You will do well to send them on their way in a manner worthy of God. 7It was for the sake of the Name that they went out, receiving no help from the pagans. 8We ought therefore to show hospitality to such men so that we may work together for the truth.


9I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to be first, will have nothing to do with us. 10So if I come, I will call attention to what he is doing, gossiping maliciously about us. Not satisfied with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers. He also stops those who want to do so and puts them out of the church.

11Dear friend, do not imitate what is evil but what is good. Anyone who does what is good is from God. Anyone who does what is evil has not seen God.

In this passage, John condemned the violation of hospitality toward faithful ministers of the Word of God (as well as HOSPITALITY IN GENERAL, which we’re ADMONISHED TO DO)

Romans 12:9-20

Love
9Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. 10Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves. 11Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. 12Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. 13Share with God’s people who are in need. Practice hospitality.

14Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. 16Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position.[a] Do not be conceited.

17Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. 18If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.

1 Peter 4:8-10

8Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins. 9Offer hospitality to one another without grumbling. 10Each one should use whatever gift he has received to serve others, faithfully administering God’s grace in its various forms. 11If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very words of God. If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.

In the case of Diptrephes, this was not the case. The word “preeminence” carries the idea of “desiring to be first”, or of someone SELFISH, SELF-CENTERED, and SELF-SEEKING…….and who is only concerned with having their way/others AGREE WITH HIM OR HER. This is what Diotrephes’ actions were about, which DIRECTLY contradict Jesus’s and the NT teaching on SERVANT-LEADERSHIP and the WARNINGS AGAINST AVOIDING THE CALL TO DO SO (Ezekiel 34, Matthew 20:20-28, Matthew 23, John 13, Acts 20:26-27, Philippians 2:1-11, I Timothy 3, I Thessalonians 2:1-12, Titus 1:5-9, Hebrews 13:7, Hebrews 13:17, I Peter 5, James 3:1-3)
Moreover, Diotrephes modeled the OPPOSITE of kindness/hospitality to God’s servants, even denying John’s apostolic authority over the local congregation, and as a result, denying ANY REVELATION of God that came through that authority. His pride was an issue…and in Macarther’s words, “his pride endeavored to supplant the rule of Christ through John in the church. It was the opposite of the gentle and loving Gaius who readily showed hospitality.

Diotrephes refused to have anything to do with other spiritual leaders (paticularly, those he disagreed with), slandered/spoke against others without justification and with many silly arguments/assumptions, refused to welcome ANY GOSPEL TEACHERS, and attempted to excommunicate those opposed to his leadership.

Sins of Pride, Jealously, and slander are all present in the church…..and regardless of how many good points a leader may have, WHEN A LEADER MAKES A HABIT OF ENCOURAGING SIN AND DISCOURAGING RIGHT ACTIONS, HE OR SHE MUST BE STOPPED……for regardles of whatever claims that minister or leader is saying (i.e. “We need to teach sound doctrine”, “The leader’s in ERROR AND I THINK…”), there’s always an ISSUE OF CONTROL INVOLVED.

http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=2074

http://www.biblegateway.com/resources/commentaries/index.php?action=getCommentaryText&cid=16&source=1&seq=i.71.1.4

http://www.preceptaustin.org/3_john_commentaries.htm

As another wisely said, “In John’s third letter we read about Diotrephes,who wanted to be a boss in the early church. Overly ambitious and domineering, he opposed the apostle John and set himself up as a dictator over those in his spiritual care. Anyone who took exception to him was dismissed from the congregation.

The problem of bossy church leaders was not limited to the first century. A. T. Robertson wrote a magazine article in which he rebuked leaders who follow in the footsteps of Diotrephes. After it was published, he received letters from at least 25 different church leaders, demanding that their subscriptions to the magazine be canceled. Although Robertson had never met any of them, they all said in effect, “You have personally attacked me!”

A lust for power springs from pride and selfishness. In contrast, Jesus served in humility and obedience to His Father (Phil. 2:8). He must be our pattern.”

If and when there are issues that people are having, Gods Word makes clear how we’re to go about handling them (2 Timothy 2:15-26)….and for excellent articles on the issue, please consider these:

On the issue of dealing with PEOPLE IN THE CATEGORY OF FALSE TEAHCERS, consider these:

http://www.bible.org/topic.php?topic_id=97

http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=2595

http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=2591

This next one is on dealing with the 3 CATEGORIES OF PEOPLE JESUS encountered and the standard response for each category)
This next one is the one dealing with the 3 CATEGORIES OF PEOPLE JESUS
encountered and
the standard response for each category
This one deals with Recognizing UNTEACHABLE PEOPLE
Probably one of the ones you’d best benefit from, as it deals with the passage
in Galatians 6 ON correcting others in error and how to go about the process

http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=618

THIS is the one dea ling with FOOLS and what the Word says on them

http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=3355

The above one deals with communication skills

http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=1436

This above one deals with how to properly EXHORT PEOPLE

http://christianwomentoday.com/growth/truthinlove.html

This ABOVE ONE one deals with speaking the TRUTH IN LOVE….

http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=3362

This above one deals with what a Biblical view of EXHORTTION looks like….

This one BELOW deals with James 3 ON TAMING THE TONGUE, which of course gets DOWNPLAYED ALL OF THE TIME:
Also, this one is a teaching from my church from which I base my personal stance on, regarding what it means to be Teachable/HUMBLE (
Also, here’s one dealing with the standard we’re to hold as SERVANTS OF THE LORD, as said in II Timothy 2:23-26:

On a different note, consider how many times people will be about discussing issues out of the mentality that “we’re to have sound doctrine and be on point!!!!”. To that, I heartidly agree…but there are some things worth to consider:

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Revelation 2
Message to Ephesus
1″To the angel of the church in (A)Ephesus write: The One who holds (B)the seven stars in His right hand, the One who walks (C)among the seven golden lampstands, says this:
2′(D)I know your deeds and your toil and perseverance, and that you cannot
tolerate evil men, and you (E)put to the test those who call themselves
(F)apostles, and they are not, and you found them to be false;
3and you have perseverance and have endured (G)for My name’s sake, and have not grown weary.
4′But I have this against you, that you have (H)left your first love.
5′Therefore remember from where you have fallen, and (I)repent and (J)do the deeds you did at first; or else I am coming to you and will remove your
(K)lampstand out of its place–unless you repent.

6′Yet this you do have, that you hate the deeds of the (L)Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
7′(M)He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches (N)To him who overcomes, I will grant to eat of (O)the tree of life which is in the (P)Paradise of God.’

Despite exposing error/promoting truth, Christ rebuked Ephesus also……despite ANY
RIGHTEOUS characteristics they possessed ( Revelation 2:1-7)—for if motives are off or there’s not genuine love/honor for one another as authentic proof of the
Gospel, EFFORTS mean NOTHING

John 13:34-35

1 Peter 2:16-17

1 John 3:11-23

No doubt that it’s PARAMOUNT to make certain that what we believe lines up with what the Lord believes, as failing to do so ends up creating danger for us all:

1 Timothy 4:16
16Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.

However, As necessary the battle is for to maintain sound teaching & moral/doctrinal
purity…..it’s very easy to forget that in the battle , it’s possible to lose a charitable spirit:

Philippians 4:5


5 Let your gentleness be known to all men. The Lord is at hand.

Prolonged conflict can weaken or destroy the patience & affection that’s to define
us:

Ephesians 4


Unity of the Spirit
1Therefore I, (A)the prisoner of the Lord, (B)implore you to (C)walk in a
manner worthy of the (D)calling with which you have been (E)called,
2with all (F)humility and gentleness, with patience, showing tolerance for one another (G)in love,

Colossians 3:12-14


12So, as those who have been (A)chosen of God, holy and beloved, (B)put on a
(C)heart of compassion, kindness, (D)humility, gentleness and (E)patience;13(F)bearing with one another, and (G)forgiving each other, whoever has acomplaint against anyone; (H)just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you. 14Beyond all these things put on love, which is (I)the perfect bond of
(J)unity.

Once we lose those traits that have been listed above, it seems that one inevitably ends up walking down a dark path regardless of the points where we have it together, just as it would be with something as powerful/loaded with firepower as a submarine facing the pressure of the underwater depths and trying to fufill it’s mission to defend & yet being in danger of collapsing due to the fact that the TINY YET SIGNIFICANT bolts holding it together are lossened/ignored….. and resulting in the ship caving in/sinking as a result.

I’ve witnessed MULTIPLE TIMES on other sites how it seems that in dealing with error, people end up becoming like the Church in Ephesus (Revelation 2:1-7)…..even to the extreme of becoming Pharisees from a different angle, for the false leaders in Christ day weren’t just guilty of teaching the wrong things (erroneous doctrine) since they were exacting/scrupulous in their attempts to follow the law of God (Matthew 5:20)…. But also guilty in having CORRECT DOCTRINE/ knowledge of things but not the right attitudes (Matthew 23)

They were all about head knowledge/facts, but their love was cold (which is a BAD SIGN IF THAT’S THE CASE IN YOUR LIFE, regardless of how much Biblical knowledge one has, since WITH FALSE TEACHING AND LOOSE MORALS comes another destructive disease—the LOSS OF LOVE FOR GOD & OTHERS—Jesus said that would be an indicator of those who become decieved in the last days):

Matthew 24:12

10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.

Continuing, the Pharisees were content in merely having knowledge. If there were issues in their own lives that needed to be adressed, they’d simply mask it by pointing to the errors of others & using the Word of God like a toy, weilding it to support whatever agenda they had.

Doing so was essentially pride, for they believed that they were above reproach/correction (or at least to the degree that they were only willing to admit error where they were COMFORTABLE admitting it)……and that sin of pride was all that was needed to open the door for a host of other sins that were never expected to occur, from sexual immorality to lying to manipulation, etc.

As John Bunyan once said, “SINS NEVER TRAVEL ALONE…..”…& the sins I say yes too because they seem less OBVIOUS/DEADLY (i.e. pride, self-righteousness, haughitness) are the same ones that’ll open the door to all of the others I didn’t want

HAT’S scary, & moreover ESPECIALLY seeing that the Word makes clear that worldliness is not a mere thing of EXTERNAL ACTIONS/attitudes, but OF AN INWARD MENTALITY AS as well.

I can have all the correct theological knowledge IN THE WORLD & BE POINTING OUT CRUCIAL ERRORS in the LIVES OF OTHERS… but still be worldly at heart/still in DANGER of mess, especially seeing that PRIDE/FOCUSING on exalitng oneself iNstead of building others up OR exalting the Lord is a WORLDLY Attitude & listed among the things that are evidence of one not truly being connected with the Lord.

One could be giving the appearance that they’re against the things of the world & yet still be worldy at heart.

I John 2:15-18
Do Not Love the World
15Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For everything in the world—the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes and the BOASTING OF WHAT HE HAS & DOES—comes not from the Father but from the world. 17The world and its desires pass away, but the man who does the will of God lives forever.

Again, EVERYTHING WE DO MUST BE DONE IN LOVE/WITH THE MOTIVE OF BUILDING UP THE SAINTS…as well as HUMILITY, .or else the Work we do for God will be
torn down/not last.

Romans 12:3
Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you.

Galatians 6

Doing Good to All

1Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. 2Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. 3If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4Each one should test his own actions. Then he can take pride in himself, without comparing himself to somebody else, 5for each one should carry his own load.

James 3:12-18


12My brothers, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.


Two Kinds of Wisdom

13Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. 14But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. 15Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. 16For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice.
17But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere.

18Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness.

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Something else to consider THAT BEST SUMMARIZES WHAT I’m trying to say on the subject:

Jesus begins His address to the church in Ephesus with a commendation: “‘I know your deeds and your toil and perseverance, and that you cannot endure evil men, and you put to the test those who call themselves apostles, and they are not, and you found them to be false; and you have perseverance and have endured for My name’s sake, and have not grown weary” (Revelation 2:2, 3).

Contrary to what some people think, this is a commendation. They had obeyed Paul’s former words precisely: “Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock” (Acts 20:28, 29). Jesus commended them for obeying the words of Paul and guarding the flock against false “sent ones” (apostles).
This church had a long history of apostolic teaching, beginning with Paul himself (see Acts 20:18-35 for Paul’s address to the Ephesian elders which describes his previous ministry there). Timothy was told to correct false doctrine in Ephesus: “As I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, remain on at Ephesus, in order that you may instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines” (1Timothy 1:3). John was likely in Ephesus before his exile to Patmos. Never has there existed a church that had a history of greater leadership: Paul, Timothy and John. This apostolic teaching had born the good fruit of discernment. They refused to tolerate evil men or false apostles.
Given this backdrop, Jesus’ rebuke is stunning: “But I have this against you, that you have left your first love. Remember therefore from where you have fallen, and repent and do the deeds you did at first; or else I am coming to you, and will remove your lampstand out of its place— unless you repent” (Revelation 2:4, 5).

How could it be that a church that had profited from the ministries of Paul, Timothy and John be so severely rebuked? This shows how quickly a church can fall from the fervency of love for God and neighbor that characterizes those who have been truly converted! Here we have a church that defends herself against false apostles and endures for the sake of Christ, but has left her first love.

Some have used this passage to warn about those who correct error. They suggest that somehow the process of withstanding evil and error makes a person unloving. There is nothing in the text that says this. The word “but” in the Greek is a strong adversative. That means that the rebuke is in stark contrast to the commendation. The praise and rebuke are both strong. The idea is that the church should reject false teachers practicers of evil and have a strong, heartfelt love for God and neighbor (see Matthew 22:37-40).
This “first love” that had characterized this church earlier in its existence is love that is demonstrated through action. We know this because Jesus said, “do the deeds you did at first.”

In the New Testament, love for God is shown by one’s love for the brethren (1John 4:20, 21). Love for one’s neighbor is show by the one who takes concrete action to help those in need (Luke 10:27-37).

Correcting error and showing love to God and neighbor are not mutually exclusive. Perhaps the tendency is for those who battle false teaching and practices to become battle “hardened” and unloving. George Eldon Ladd comments, “. . . their struggle with false teachers and their hatred of heretical teaching had apparently engendered hard feelings and harsh attitudes toward one another to such an extent that it amounted to a forsaking of the supreme Christian virtue of love.”7 Those of us in “discernment ministries” do well to ask God to graciously preserve us from becoming this way and to kindle the flame of Christian love that is expressed in practical ways.

Jesus has a further commendation for the church at Ephesus: “Yet this you do have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate” (Revelation 2:6). No one knows exactly who the “Nicolaitans” were, but clearly they were a heretical sect. It is noteworthy that the Nicolaitans who were hated by the Ephesian church were embraced by the church at Pergamos (Revelation 2:15). Jesus’ words to the church at Ephesus show that it must be possible to simultaneously hate the “deeds” of evil doers and love God and neighbor. We can hate the wicked deeds of those around us yet lovingly preach the gospel to them, hoping that God grants repentance.

http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue86.htm

Going back to the EARLIER poiint with DIOTROPHES, I can’t tell you how frustrating it is to see what seems to be a “DIOTROPHES” spirit occur in churches, where people will end up discouraging people from attending godly churches PASSIONATE FOR SPREADING THE GOSPELAND telling encouraging believers to go SOLO in their walks/proclaim judgement on the ENTIRE BODY of CHRIST because they don’t share the same views on all points (i.e. “Well, I like this church…..but they believe in spiritual gifts, so don’t attend there) or “ALL PASTORS are out to get your money, and if they’re not willing to change to my views, they’re in error”)…..

Or how many will literally throw their weight around theologically and force/bully others who don’t agree with them on every issue and be quick to throw out correction but act as if they’re ABOVE REPROACH.

Or how often churches will refuse to even have people of differing denominations come to their church because of disagreement over PERIPHEALS like Spiritual Gifts/Charismata even though they still hold to the Gospel of Christ (i.e Even though you llove the Lord, You’re Charismatic, and therefore we can’t have you come to an event at our church and preach on the GOSPEL)

For example, once Material was given for a person seeking to learn solid theological information for gloryfying God, and when people were given resources like like John Macarther, Piper, and Sproul….the owner of the site would not accept my suggestion to add CJ. Mahanney & Joshua Harris as well on the basis that they believed in the same things pentecostals agreed on (i.e. spiritual gifts, prophecy, etc).

In his words, “Insisting on the validity of a “Charismatic” experience is a violation of sound doctrine in several areas, not the least being the authority of Scripture.”

To me, I found that silly.

We all have beliefs (some of them fervent); we all have experiences, and our tendency is to want to measure others by our yardsticks….thinking our convictions/experiences are true & should be the norm while different ideas are thought to be inferior or invalid

However, as Acts 15 & history shows, having councils where differing viewpoints are discussed can help aid the effectiveness/authority of the elders/leaders of a local body.

As Paul & Barnabus and the Jews in Antioch handled the issue through confronting the problem, giving all sides of the argument a fair-hearing & holding the discussion in the presence of were spiritually mature & trustworthy leaders (Acts 15:2), so the same is still needed today in handling issues of the FAITH…..

Think a good example of what a Biblical Council would look like today can be found with John MacArthur & others:

http://www.t4g.org/speakers.html

Macarther AND PIPER themselves were willing to work with Mahanney/Harris…& has even recommended their SOLID
Resources….JUST as Piper, RC Sproul & others have MULTIPLE TIMES for YEARS!!!

For evidence,

http://www.t4g.org/speakers.html

http://www.joshharris.com/stop_dating_the_church.php

Reformation 21

T’S ILLOGICAL CLAIMING ONE CANNOT LEARN FROM OR ASSOCIATE with Believers holding
DIFFERING interpretations ——For what’s ESSENTIAL is THE CENTRALITY OF THE
GOSPEL OF CHRIST….

IMO, SOMETHING’S HIGHLY OFF when we’re willing to DIVIDE OVER NON-ESSENTIAL
issues rather than UNITING FOR THE SAKE OF SPREADING THE GOSPEL…..for not all
Followers will resemble each other or belong to the SAME GROUPS. People who are on Jesus’ side have the SAME GOAL of BUILDING UP THE KINGDOM of GOD, & THEY
SHOULD NOT LET THEIR DIFFERENCES INTERFERE WITH THIS GOAL ( I Corinthians 12,
Ephesians 4:1-16).

If someone shares common faith in Christ, THEY SHOULD be
COOPERATED WITH, as the Word says (Mark 9:38-41)

Mark 9:38-41

Whoever Is Not Against Us Is for Us

38″Teacher,” said John, “we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.”

39″Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40for whoever is not against us is for us. 41I tell you the truth, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to Christ will certainly not lose his reward.

I could say more but I pray that what I’ve offered is enough to cause some thought. And regardless of the conclusions people come to, I pray that we all keep in mind the fact that we can only fufill God’s standards THROUGH THE POWER/BLOOD OF CHRIST……& any attempt apart from Him to do what we know to do, even if it’s with the right reasons, will be FUTILE. Only in living by the Spirit of God can one manifest the FRUIT of the God:

Romans 7

Galatians 5

Life by the Spirit

16So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. 17For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law. 19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

John 15

The Vine and the Branches

1“I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[a] so that it will be even more fruitful. 3You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. 5“I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you. 8This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

9“As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. 14You are my friends if you do what I command. 15I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. 16You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit—fruit that will last. Then the Father will give you whatever you ask in my name. 17This is my command: Love each other.

Moreover, there is a reason why the Lord has given us the HELPER, (the HOLY SPIRIT), WHO IS THERE TO ENABLE US TO DO WHAT WE CANNOT DO IN OUR OWN STRENGTH….SO PLEASE REMEMBER TO LOOK TO HIM (AND TO DO SO IN HUMILITY AS WELL:

John 16

The Work of the Holy Spirit

5“Now I am going to him who sent me, yet none of you asks me, ‘Where are you going?’ 6Because I have said these things, you are filled with grief. 7But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt[a] in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: 9in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; 10in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; 11and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned. 12“I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. 15All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.

16“In a little while you will see me no more, and then after a little while you will see me.”

Psalm 25

8 Good and upright is the LORD;
therefore he instructs sinners in his ways.

9 He guides the humble in what is right
and teaches them his way.

10 All the ways of the LORD are loving and faithful
for those who keep the demands of his covenant

Proverbs 3:34
He mocks proud mockers but gives grace to the humble.

Isaiah 66:2
Has not my hand made all these things, and so they came into being?” declares the LORD. “This is the one I esteem: he who is humble and contrite in spirit, and trembles at my word.

Luke 14:11
For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

Luke 18

he Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector

9To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: 10“Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood up and prayed about[a] himself: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’ 13“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

14“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

4

James 4

Submit Yourselves to God

1What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don’t they come from your desires that battle within you? 2You want something but don’t get it. You kill and covet, but you cannot have what you want. You quarrel and fight. You do not have, because you do not ask God. 3When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures. 4You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God. 5Or do you think Scripture says without reason that the spirit he caused to live in us envies intensely?[a] 6But he gives us more grace. That is why Scripture says:
God opposes the proud
but gives grace to the humble.”[b]

7Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9Grieve, mourn and wail. Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom. 10Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up.

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7 Responses to “The New Phariseeical Movement: In the Club or NOT….OR ARE YOU part of the DIOTREPHES TEAM (III John 1:9-14)???”

  1. Righter said

    On point G…

  2. Thanks sis…..though if you wouldn’nt mind, would you please indicate where you felt the post was on point? I’d love to recieve feedback….

    Peace…

  3. Righter said

    I felt the entire posting was relevant. As we know-there is much “fighting” over doctrine. I have observed that those who would fight and call names are really lacking in confidence and as such, they tend to put others down to puff themselves up.

    This is not Biblical and I believe it hurts more than helps the Body of Christ.

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