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HEARING ALL SIDES: Examining all of the views, from Cessationism to Continuist

Posted by Gabriel (G²) on December 4, 2007

 Proverbs 16:11

 Honest scales and balances are from the LORD; all the weights in the bag are of his making.

Proverbs 11:1
The LORD abhors dishonest scales, but accurate weights are his delight.

Proverbs 20:23
The LORD detests differing weights, and dishonest scales do not please him.

If anyone has been seriously investigating my website for awhile, they’ll quickly realize that I am a DIE HARD CHARISMATIC (abeit somewhat Reformed). They may assume that I am only concerned with presenting a charismatic point of view on the site. However, I pray that’s not the case.  For I grew up in a predominately CESSATIONIST HIGHSCHOOL, made good friends with those who were, and feel that they have MANY VALID POINTS/ARGUMENTS TO THINGS……and as I have tried to make clear before, only a fool would be concerned with speaking things soley from HIS PERSPECTIVE rather than seeking to listen to all sides of an issue so he or she could gain UNDERSTANDING (Proverbs 18:2)

Moreover, I REALIZE THAT NOT ALL CESSATIONIST are 100% the same, JUST AS NOT ALL CHARISMATICS are either. There are always variations……

Also, as the above proverbs say, it is UNJUST to place more weight on one issue if I’m not willing to give fair hearing to the other. Again, I must be open/willing to hear ALL SIDES AND NOT SHOW FAVORTISM. Anything less than asking as many questions as possible, being objective/at least willing to admit the possibility of error in my side, and listening would be foolish.

Proverbs 18:13
He who answers before listening— that is his folly and his shame.

Proverbs 18:15
The heart of the discerning acquires knowledge; the ears of the wise seek it out.

Proverbs 18:17
The first to present his case seems right, till another comes forward and questions him.

That said, I wanted to take some time and give information on the issue of CESSATIONISM so that people will know moreso where they are coming from.

Go here for FURTHER INFORMATION:

http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=749

 http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=749

 The article deals with the question of whether or not God speaks today through prophets, dreams, visions, and direct encounters or did he cease in the first century.

   In their own words,  “Are those who claim speak on behalf of God to be tested the same way they were in biblical times? In this session, we will cover this important and divisive issue. If God still speak directly to people today, then we need to use those to whom He speaks as a primary source for truth. During this session, the student will learn and evaluate the arguments made by cessationists (those who believe that God does not speak directly or through prophets today) and continuationists (those who believe that He does), understanding that how one answers this question will greatly influence their theological methodology.”

Questions that are dealt with in the study are the following:

Does God still speak today?

What is the Continuationist view of prophecy?

What is the Hard Cessationist view of prophecy? – Part 1

What is the Hard Cessationist view of prophecy? – Part 2

What is the Soft Cessationist view of prophecy?

Does God still speak today?

What is the Continuationist view of prophecy?

What is the Hard Cessationist view of prophecy? Part 1

What is the Hard Cessationist view of prophecy? Part 2

What is the Soft Cessationist view of prophecy?

 Also, if interested, please consider this study on the issue from BIBLE.org:

http://www.bible.org/series.php?series_id=183

In their own words, 

The origins of this book came in the early 1990s when both of us editors (Jim Sawyer and Dan Wallace) were facing trauma in our lives and in the lives of our families—traumas that our rationalistic theological training had left us unequipped to deal with. The propositions of our theology left us cold, and failed to speak vitally to the pain we each felt. Independently, as scholars trained in the evangelical cessationist tradition we came to grips with the spiritual sterility of that tradition. As we shared our personal “war stories” we discovered similar trajectories in the development of our understanding of the reality and necessity of the personal and existential work of the Holy Spirit in our lives. Doctrine and biblical knowledge alone simply did not cut it.

Out of our conversations, the sharing of the pain and reflection on our background, the idea for a book addressing our concerns was born. While not embracing what we consider to be the excesses of Pentecostalism, the charismatic movement, and the Third Wave, we have embraced what we have tentatively called pneumatic Christianity. We contend that the way evangelical cessationism has developed was reactionary and reductionistic. Rather than focus upon scriptural images of the Holy Spirit as a presence deep within the soul of the believer, cessationism has reactively denied experience in opposition to the Pentecostal overemphasis upon experience, which at times supplanted the revealed truth of scripture. In one sense this volume is not intended to be programmatic; rather it is exploratory. One theme that surfaces numerous times throughout the essays is the issue of control. As a group we have individually and independently recognized that we really are not in control of our lives. The place of control belongs to God alone. Our attempts for control can be a subtle grasp at self-deification. The fear of loss of control, we are convinced, has driven much cessationist literature.

In another sense it is programmatic in that it marks a departure from the way many in the cessationist camp think. In this respect, it is much closer to the way charismatics think. The difference, then, is in the details. But the big picture for both charismatics and pneumatics is the same: God is in control; we aren’t.

In short, our tradition framed the issue wrongly. It threw out the proverbial baby with the bathwater. The Pentecostal/charismatic tradition has focused on the sign gifts of the Spirit. We have become convinced that the ministry of the Spirit is far wider and deeper but more subtle than even the Pentecostal/charismatic tradition envisions it. Consequently the essays of this volume explore, however tentatively, an attempt to steer a middle ground between the sterile cessationism that essentially locks the Spirit in the pages of scripture, and an anything-goes-approach that has characterized parts of the Pentecostal/charismatic/Third Wave movements.

The contributors to this volume come from different backgrounds: two are Anglican, one is Chinese, one is African-American, two are Baptist, one is Presbyterian, and several others come from the Bible Church tradition. We would emphasize that as a group we do not represent a unified position on the nature of the ministry of the Spirit, but we are united in asserting the vital personal presence of the Holy Spirit in our lives. We have different emphases, perspectives, and concerns. We do not all agree with one another in every point. While we all agree that hard cessationism is inadequate, some are far closer to the Pentecostal/charismatic/Third Wave tradition while others are closer to the traditional cessationist position.

Finally, it is our prayer that evangelicals would interact with the points raised in these essays. We hope that men and women of God will be touched by what is written here, and that there will be renewal in the church.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pray it blesses someone……

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