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Jesus LIVING SINGLE??? An interesting Dialouge on the Scandalous Claim of Jesus NOT BEING CELIBATE

Posted by Gabriel (G²) on November 16, 2007

This may seem like an odd post, but I posted it seeing all of the allegations that have come up in our time about Jesus not truly being a virgin but hooking up with Mary.M (“Divinci Code”, anyone?

In paticular, there was a conversation taking place on the Catholic Forum at Carm ( http://www.christiandiscussionforums.org/v/showthread.php?t=66626 ), with the opening question being this:

My dear Protestant, can you prove Jesus’ celibacy?

We go back and forth proving that Jesus did wed, and you (the Protestant) keep insisting that Jesus never did wed.

Can you show me from Scripture where it is proven that Jesus never did marry?

Others in response said this:

Think about, we, “Prots” are the ones who tend not to believe what Scripture doesn’t teach, right? Marriage is big, in God’s eyes as well, the mere fact that scripture omitted “His would-be wife” is evidence that she did not exist.

Secondly, Jesus made it clear times and times again that He was about his Father’s business. He had a purpose and a plan, A wife would have deterred him from that purpose and plan as it would be His duty to be a husband to his wife in every aspect.

Thirdly, Paul said it’s is good for the man of God to stay celibate, in Corinthians, if he has been given the gift, but if he feels the itch, he should be married so he doesn’t fall in sin. Who was a better man of God? Did Christ need to prevent Himself from sinning?

Fourthly, How horrible a husband would Christ have been, if knowing His purpose willingly laid His life down and thus willingly made “his wife” a widow and if he had children, orphans?

To conclude a little biblical reasoning is all you need to know that Christ wasn’t married. Noone needs your tradition, if that were the point of the OP

Marriage and celibacy are 2 different things.

Was Jesus celibate? because He was sinless we know he was not guilty of fornication.

Was Jesus married?

Not yet, but He is waiting for His bride.

Rev 19:7
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
Rev 19:8
And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
Rev 19:9
And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. __________________

I don’t think there was any harm if he wed. G-d had not forbidden him to get married. Suppose if he were really married, would it make him no Son of G-d?

G-d sent him into the world through a woman. What was wrong if he married a woman? Nobody knows about the first thirty years of his life. Some non-Canonical gospels do show that Jesus used to kiss Mary Magdalene on mouth, lips to lips, etc. Canonical gospels do hint when Mary Magdala wanted to hug him but the gospel writers prevented that hug, which could have been a passionate one.

I don’t think he was a celibate. He was definitely married and had children, whose generations are still propagating without even knowing their grandfather. That part of his life wasn’t recorded and was not shown in the four gospels but the tell-tale signs are there.

 

 

Main Entry: blas·phe·my
Pronunciation: ‘blas-f&-mE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -mies
1 a : the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God b : the act of claiming the attributes of deity
2 : irreverence toward something considered sacred or inviolable

How is it b;asphymey?

On the contrary!

There is no Scripture which states that Jesus was celibate or that Mary sinned–both of these PC teachings are false teachings.

 

Now, as one can see, there’s a MYRIAD OF VIEWS on the subject.

 

f I may add my two cent, I’d like to share some thoughts from Christian Writer Joshua Harris (“Sex isn’t the Problem (Lust Is), “I Kissed Dating Goodbye”)

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Just how good is it God made us like HE DID.


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Just how good is it God made us like HE DID.

He really knew what He was doing, didn’t He?

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Genesis 1:22
God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.”

Genesis 1:28
God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number/MULTIPLY; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

And in case we’d be tempted to slack off in this task of populating and subduing the earth, HE Made us sexual creatures and wired us with this incredible thing we call a SEX DRIVE….

God gave us our drives so we would drive toward something. Just as He gave us an appetite for food so we wouldn’t forge to feed our bodies, He also gave us a sexual appetite so that men and women would keep being joined together and creating offspring in marriage.

And beyond procreation, our sex drive is in some mysterious way part and parcel of our drive to build, advance, conquer, and survive.l Our sexuality and our sex drive are intertwined and tied together with our creativity and with our innate human desire to continue life on this spinning planet. Being a sexual being with sexual desires is part of what it means to be a human being created in God’s image

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now this is where things get a bit crazy, and though I agree with him on the following point, those who disagree may need to prepare themselves…..cause as it may feel to some who remember the old saying, “There goes the neighborhood….”

 

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“Think about this: The sinless SON OF GOD, who perfectly obeyed God’s Commands for purity and NEVER LUSTED, was COMPLETELY HUMAN. That means Jesus was a SEXUAL human being. God didn’t fudge on the INCARNATION. God became one of us—-a living, breathing, sweating, desiring, feeling human being. Jesus wasn’t a sexless, lifeless, half-man. HE HAD SEXUAL URGES AND DESIRES.

He appreciated the beauty of WOMEN…He noticed the beauty of WOMEN, and HE was REALLY A MAN….and none of this was SINFUL.

So, the turht is that Jesus didn’t come to rescue us from our humanity; He ENTERED into humanity to rescue us from our sinfulness. He didn’t come to save us from being SEXUAL CREATURES; He became one of us to save us from the reign of LUST and SIN, which Ruins our SEXUALITY

 

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And in case anyone was confused on the issue of what lust is,

 

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John Piper explains lust with this simple equation: ‘Lust is a sexual desire minus honor and holiness.”...and when we take this good thing—sexual desire—-and remove from it honor toward fellow humans and reverence for God (Ephesians 4:18-20, Ephesians 5:3, I Thessalonians 4:5-9, I Corinthians 6

 

All of that said, I thought it would be noteworthy to bring that up in relation to whether Jesus had children or was celibate or not, for surely as a HUMAN BEING SEXUAL DESIRE WOULD’VE COME WITH THE PACKAGE

Howwever, to balance things out, it should be noted that for Jesus to have had children and not remain celibate would’ve DISMANTLED EVERYTHING HE CAME TO STAND FOR/DO for US IN REDEMPTION.

To clarify what I mean, here’s an article I discovered on CARM that seems to deal PERFECTLY WITH THE issue:

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Even though Eve was the first person to sin, sin entered the world through Adam and not through Eve. Rom. 5:12 says, “Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world…” The theory is that Adam was the representative of mankind in the garden. When he fell, we fell because we were “in” him. This concept of representation one person representing others is found in Heb. 7:9-10.

And, so to speak, through Abraham even Levi, who received tithes, paid tithes, 10for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him.

Levi was a distant descendant of Abraham. Abraham was long dead when Levi was born. But the text says that Levi paid tithes to Melchizedek. How is this possible? It seems the answer lies in the idea that one person represented his descendants.

This would explain why Levi is said to have paid tithes to Melchizedek because his distant father Abraham did so and because Levi was “in” the loins of his distant father Abraham. Likewise, sin entered the world through Adam and not Eve because Adam was the representative head of mankind. If this is so, then Jesus would not have received a sin nature from His father Joseph since Joseph had no biological paternity in relation to Jesus. Therefore, his sin nature would not have been passed down to Jesus.

But since he had a human mother, He had human nature. We can see He was both God and man because He is called both the son of God and the son of man. If it is true, then we can see that Jesus had a divine nature received from God and a human nature, but not a sinful one, from His mother Mary.

http://www.carm.org/christadelphian/Jesus_nature.htm

Whether or not the preceding concept is legitimate is still up for debate. But I offer it as yet another possible reason why Jesus did not have a sinful nature.

 

 

 

 

Basically, from what I understand on the issue, ! Remember the VIRGIN BIRTH? The reason it’s important is beacause Jesus was born WITHOUT THE SIN THAT CAME INTO THE WORLD through ADAM. HE WAS BORN HOLY, just as ADAM WAS CREATED SINLESS.

In contrast to ADAM, who disobeyed God, Jesus OBEYED GOD, was PERFECT, and thus was ABLE TO FACE SIN’S CONSEQUENCES IN OUR PLACE AND MAKE US ACCEPTABLE TO GOD (Romans 5:14-19).

Jesus Christ, God’s Son, had to be free from the sinful nature passed on to ALL OTHER HUMAN BEINGS BY ADAM….and because JESUS WAS BORN OF A WOMAN, HE WAS A HUMAN BEING; BUT AS THE SON OF GOD, JESUS WAS BORN WITHOUT ANY TRACE OF HUMAN SIN. Jesus is both fully human and FULLY DIVINE….

And because JESUS LIVED AS A MAN, HE FULLY UNDERSTANDS THEIR EXPERIENCES AND STRUGGLES (Hebrews 2:11-18, HEBREWS 4:15-16 AND WHY IT SAYS HE WAS MADE LIKE US SO HE COULD RELATE TO US/HELP US)……But only in REMAINING AS GOD—PERFECT—-did HE HAVE AUTHORITY/POWER TO DELIVER PEOPLE FROM SIN

And because of Jesus, we can trade Judgement for forgiveness, our sin for HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS, and to be born into HIS SPIRITUAL FAMILY—the FAMILY LINE THAT BEGINS WITH FORGIVENESS AND LEADS TO ETERNAL LIFE (Romans 6:23)

And as a PERFECT SACRIFICE HE SIMULTANEOUSLY TOOK ALL SIN UPON HIMSELF AS IF IT WERE HIS OWN, AND THEN GOD PUNISHED IT ONCE AND FOR ALL…AND WE ARE FREE AS A RESULT!!!!!!! PERFECTION, though, WAS NEEDED THE WHOLE WAY THROUGH!!

So to say that Jesus had children would seem to directly imply that HE TOOK ON THEIR SIN NATURE AS WELL….but that’s just my understanding on the subkect

Thoughts???

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