Posted by Gabriel (G²) on October 20, 2007

To anyone interested,


Regarding the church issue (i.e. leadership, defining what is a church, etc),  here are some of the things whcih  things that I researched before. Some of the things I think still stand as something worthwile to hold to after I studied the Word…..and many of the resources do indeed come from men/women who’ve proven to be faithful to the Word of God and truly seeking to do things right/as fairly as possible, such as many of John Piper’s resources on church leadership, 9 Marks of a Healthy Church, and an article I researched on church government recently from Bible.Org:
Here’s one website that’s relatively unknown and yet highly informative…… MUCH good info on the subject:
On Church Structure and Spiritual Organization (Acts 6:1-7)

“Fail-Proof Spiritual Leadership” [1 Thessalonians 2:1-6]
“Parental Pictures of Spiritual Leadership” Part 1 [1 Thessalonians 2:7-9]
“Parental Pictures of Spiritual Leadership” Part 2 [1 Thessalonians 2:10-12]

Leadership [02]

“The Anti-Model of Spiritual Leadership” [Philippians 2:19-24]

Leadership [03]

Shepherds or Potentates?

Leadership [04]

The Call to Church Leadership –  “It is a trustworthy statement; if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. An overseer, then, must be above reproach,…” 1 Timothy 3:1-2.  Convocation Message of Dr. John F. MacArthur Jr., President, The Master’s Seminary, September 9, 1990

Leadership [05]

True Success in Christian Leadership

Church Life

    Small Groups

Church Practices


Church Leadership

From Bible.Org (And if you haven’t investigated this, consider checking it out)
From 9 Marks
On the flip side, here are some of the resources that have been recommended to me and that ALSO have me thinking much lately
Here’s one from a man named David Shepherd, who’s Charismatic but a missionary and leader in the HouseChurch movement that’s bearing much fruit (IMHO):
For others,

  allathisfeet.com RADICAL (POWERFUL) thoughts on CHURCH POLITY/ STRUCTURE Yes Edit Delete
Various Links/Resources on the issue of Church GOVERNMENT/OPERATION….from those against INSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENTS to THOSE FOR THEM
emissary7.wordpress.com/2007/10/… RADICAL (POWERFUL) thoughts on CHURCH POLITY/ STRUCTURE Yes Edit Delete
GENE EDWARDS seedsowers.com/catalog/index.php RADICAL (POWERFUL) thoughts on CHURCH POLITY/ STRUCTURE Yes Edit Delete
HOME CHURCH home-church.org RADICAL (POWERFUL) thoughts on CHURCH POLITY/ STRUCTURE Yes Edit Delete
HOUSE 2 House…..
To help saturate and transform communities with radical, home-based church planting movements
house2house.net RADICAL (POWERFUL) thoughts on CHURCH POLITY/ STRUCTURE Yes Edit Delete
House Church.Org house-church.org RADICAL (POWERFUL) thoughts on CHURCH POLITY/ STRUCTURE Yes Edit Delete
Provides various tools and resources to educate church and ministry leaders in how they may unlicense their incorporated 501c3 churches and ministries, and how to properly organize and operate as a free-church or free-ministry.
hushmoney.org RADICAL (POWERFUL) thoughts on CHURCH POLITY/ STRUCTURE Yes Edit Delete
NTRF: Reforming Today’s Church with NT Practices ntrf.org/articles/index.php RADICAL (POWERFUL) thoughts on CHURCH POLITY/ STRUCTURE Yes Edit Delete
THE CHURCH: Redifining what CHURCH is Biblically…. mysite.verizon.net/bunning/Church FREE Gospel-Centered E-Books on the Internet, RADICAL (POWERFUL) thoughts on CHURCH POLITY/ STRUCTURE Yes Edit Delete
The School of Christ.Org watchman.net/about.html RADICAL (POWERFUL) thoughts on CHURCH POLITY/ STRUCTURE Yes Edit Delete
TRUTH FOR FREE.com (Re-Examining the phrase prayershack.freeservers.com RADICAL (POWERFUL) thoughts on CHURCH POLITY/ STRUCTURE Yes Edit Delete
Worldwide House Church Registry hccentral.com/directory
        This is one of the sources my children’s church pastor (the one who recently was fired) started investigating and that he recommended to me. Though be warned, so of the material is very controversial…..and I’m still procedding in investigating things with a HIGH DEGREE of caution as there is much info I do disagree with/question still how well-researched it is……and also since it appears that many of the articles seem to give the impression that any churches with buildings/programs of any sort are in error….and that I believe would be judging/too much of a blanket statement, especially to those old school “Storefront churches” that were holding it down/keeping it real on the streets and taking people in that no one else would….that was my experience anyway……but I must say that MUCH OF THE MATERIAL WAS SPOT ON AND TRULY INFOTMATIVE WHEN ONE TAKES THE TIME TO INVESTIGATE SCRIPTURE FOR THEMSELVES.
    Also, regarding what was discussed last Sunday, here is the book that I’m reading and that I think you may wish to consider investigating sometime:

The book’s really in-depth, with Scripture examined systematically, and very intriguing. In the words of the author,
     “Although there are already other books and articles written from a similar perspective, this book attempts to be unique in several regards. First, this book includes some original research and scholarship to provide a comprehensive understanding of all the major issues of the Church in one place. There are already several individual books that when taken together adequately cover much of the content addressed here, but not everyone has the time or patience to read so many different books [a.1]. Some of these books only discuss the Church from one particular vantage point making it difficult to grasp the big picture of how everything fits together. One book might highlight the equality of all Christians as a “kingdom of priests”, for example, but then leave people wondering how Biblical leadership fits into the picture [6.1.2]. Other books merely tell nice stories of how they think it should be without any Scripture to back them up. Second, this book is broken into chapters and sections to make things easier to find for future reference. This reference guide format makes it easy to jump back and forth between sections while still providing an awareness of the surrounding context. Third, this book includes “Practical Applications” sections that offer advice and practical steps that you can apply to your life. Other books on these topics may present the truth well enough, but then the reader is left wondering, “Where do I go from here?” And this can be overwhelming for many who are learning these things for the first time. And finally, unlike some authors who are trying to make a profit from the gospel, this book is made freely available.”
     In case the books is too much to read, I found a link that actually gives the ENTIRE BOOK ONLINE so that you can investigate for yourself bit by bit:
Again, pray that the resources are a blessing, Brah……and that in all things, we’d be DILLIGENT STUDENTS OF THE WORD AND GIVE A FAIR HEARING ON ALL SIDES before making any decisions. If Paul stayed on the backside of a desert before coming out into ministry, hey….so can we (Lol). And heck, even when it came to church leadership, it wasn’t just something folks DISCUSSED. One fellowship had literally a time of PRAYER AND MUCH FASTING (which would probably be something good to study since there seems to be so many CRUCIAL DECISIONS that we’re all having to make lately) for a good while before choosing anyone to lead:

Acts 13

Barnabas and Saul Sent Off

 1In the church at Antioch there were prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen (who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch) and Saul. 2While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” 3So after they had fasted and prayed, they placed their hands on them and sent them off.

Acts 14:21-24 

The Return to Antioch in Syria

 21They preached the good news in that city and won a large number of disciples. Then they returned to Lystra, Iconium and Antioch, 22strengthening the disciples and encouraging them to remain true to the faith. “We must go through many hardships to enter the kingdom of God,” they said. 23Paul and Barnabas appointed elders[a] for them in each church and, with prayer and fasting, committed them to the Lord, in whom they had put their trust. 24After going through Pisidia, they came into Pamphylia,

      Though I value your friendship, I also covet your prayers as well…….because Honestly, on many things I honesty don’t know what to believe anymore…..but amazingly, though I used to be so fearful of that and in a rush to get a solution, I’m cool with it now……..keeps me from keeping God in a BOX/being in control…..and there’s wisdom in having that sense of hesitation on all sides if one isn’t absolutely sure they’ve done their homework first, or hasn’t prayed on how to go about doing things the best way that would be beneficial for ALL!!!
In all honesty, there’s a aspect of truth that all people have on something….but only when we discuss an issue fully /objectively can we have COMPLETE TRUTH, UNDERSTANDING, and a BALANCED PERSPECTIVE on ANY TOPIC…..

 Proverbs 16:11

 Honest scales and balances are from the LORD; all the weights in the bag are of his making.

Proverbs 11:1
The LORD abhors dishonest scales, but accurate weights are his delight.

Proverbs 20:23
The LORD detests differing weights, and dishonest scales do not please him.

Proverbs 18:13

13 He who answers before listening—
that is his folly and his shame.
Proverbs 18:15

15 The heart of the discerning acquires knowledge;
the ears of the wise seek it out.
Proverbs 18:17

17 The first to present his case seems right,
till another comes forward and questions him.

      To be zealous alone in our beliefs and yet have no desire for understanding’s and seeking to be certain we understand what we’re getting ourselves into and whether or not we’re fully accurate is a dangerous thing. Just like the Word says,
Proverbs 19:2

2 It is not good to have zeal without knowledge,
nor to be hasty and miss the way.

And even with all the frustrations I’ve been having of late, can’t help but be reminded of this:
James 1:18-24
Listening and Doing

 19My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, 20for man’s anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires. 21Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you.




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